Dear Georg

You can do what you want but you have to respect that the current mix of all 
kind of CSS approaches and custom made redundancies is blowing up CSS and JS 
files tremendously. Very often you read here that developers like to develop 
their stuff fast. If now every extension would has one base for their CSS we 
would have a great way to share not only template modifications easily but also 
to customize and learn how to customize easily. We could even build perhaps an 
extension doing it so that this customization process would need no coding.

My focus is usability for people who are using the CMS and not for those who 
want to create dependent customers because custom made stuff has been used over 
and over. You could do this anyway.

By the way I am just starting bootstrap and never used it before, but as you 
could read here on the list ALL future approaches like gridelements or fluid, 
themes, Fabiens bootstrap  and there is even a TV bootstrap out there too are 
using bootstrap as it provides and very easy way to create nice looking 
responsive and mobile friendly websites. It would be nice if we would have even 
a bootstrap backend which resizes nicely in the backend on tabs i.e. which 
often have different screen sizes.

Standardization of reusable things will help TYPO3 to reach out to a much 
greater customer base and the side effect is also that it will be much much 
easier to learn and to setup websites with TYPO3.

Simply think about why people like to use YAML or BOOTSTRAP or "framework"! 
Unfortunately Yaml has a license issue to be integrated in TYPO3. Bootstrap 
provides at least the same functionality and is maintained by a much bigger 
community. 

For now it seems that for the first time in TYPO3 the major Templating Engines 
and Approaches start using Bootstrap so why don't make this the default for 
extensions too?

Than you could simply install and extension instantly with your theme instead 
of deleting or overwriting hundreds of custom CSS entries from the extension 
maker. The same applies to the way of using Less or Sass etc. I used SASS until 
now but learn meanwhile LESS as it is actually very very easy and nice and 
Bootstrap is based on it.

There will be also a tv-framework Version 2 skin using LESS and Bootstrap 
instead of the default SASS way. Simply to make templates easier to exchange 
with others.

Another approach could be to have a setting in TYPO3 which disables ALL 
Extension Css and JS files by default at once with one simply click or setting 
and than you could ENABLE those you like or non and use some of the Themes 
Extension CSS Repository to make your site looking nicely and with a much more 
reduced CSS.

On Themes a CSS Repository could be created where authors could offer there 
Extension CSS for free or a fee. So you could download i.e. a bootstrap conform 
CSS for a specific extension and by reusing all this already done CSS and other 
"T3-LEGO" Parts you will speed up the process of your own development. And it 
will be much easier to calculate prices to and you could earn additionally in 
providing you custom extension CSS as a reference for your quality work or for 
a fee.

using a standardized approach in the extension too will simply help to have 
much more fun with TYPO3 without loosing the ability to do it complete 
differently.

Andi

Sent from my iPad

On 14 มิ.ย. 2556, at 12:17, Georg Ringer <ty...@ringerge.org> wrote:

> Am 14.06.2013 03:06, schrieb Andreas Becker:
>> If the extension developers would stick at least
>> inside their extensions i.e. to bootstrap than itself repeating CSS could
>> be reduced tremendously.
> 
> so why not foundation?
> 
> Again again and again: Just because you stick to bootstrap it doesn't
> mean that everybody should ...
> 
> Please respect that.
> 
> Georg
> 
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