Hey John, I have programmed in COBOL, Fortran 4, TAC Business basic, Assembly on the IBM 370, Assembly on the 8086x, native Pick, MS QuickBasic, (did some goofing around with VB), SQL, HTML, Java and most extensively with Unidata. It is by far superior in dev time ONCE YOU KNOW what you're doing. (I have 31 years of programming behind my belt).
Most of the "Manage-2000" systems that are sold (written in Unidata) get sold to companies without programmers, and they grab a secretary and tell them they are promoted to SysAdmin. Seriously! As far as Modern? Moving data from one spot to another and doing calc's is the name of the game. Single line in RDBMS requiring a program in u2? Example please. I'm sure someone one the list will be able to point you in the correct direction so that you're learning curve will not be so frustrating. We're here to help and make your learning fun. Allen -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Aherne, John Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:31 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. But the thing that annoys me most is the poor support from IBM. I cannot get access to some of their tech docs because our UD license is held by our VAR (Don't ask). What kind of policy is that? For any other DBMS I can get access to vast amounts of information, and I don't even need to have seen the software, nevermind have a license. I looked forward to working with UD when I found out I would be developing on it, I have never used an mvdbms before, and the concept intrigued me. But so far, I do not see any benefit to using UD for anything what-so-ever, and nothing IBM or our VAR has provided has even hinted that UD, and UV are anything but an archaic relic of times gone by, like COBOL. Why else would a company make it so difficult for someone to learn about development on their software, if not because they didn't really have any interest in supporting it, and believe that you should have upgraded to more modern technology already? Regards, John Aherne -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P Lynch Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:44 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Bill, So you have a fast quick Oracle or DB2 solution that doesn't involve pulling teeth or a learning curve and is cost effective and machine independent ? Let me know the stock symbol ! Perhaps all the people who are touting Oracle and SQL Server should go develop in them and they can try competing with Peoplesoft , JD Edwards, SAP et al. The strength of U2/mvDbms lies in the ease of development and the fact that the apps run forever requiring very little support. Try running some of those other systems without a DBA and a Unix/Windows technician available on a very regular basis. Kevin Lynch -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:20 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Phil: Although this is a U2 specific list, the same pricing problem exists with ALL mvDbms products. In addition knowledge seems to be locked up and there are so many proprietary solutions to simple problems. Developers often have to pull teeth to solve some basic problems. Every business problem requiring an mvDbms solution seems to entail a steep learning curve (kind of like Linux and networking). Since the mvDbms vendors aren't interested in long-term revenue but in short-term profits I doubt whether this will change. So, in the long-term we'll all have to migrate off of the dbms (or die first). :-) Bill ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
