Leroy, I am sorry, but that argument doe not hold water. The client has purchased, whether directly or indirectly, a U2 database product. They have full access to the system to do their own development if they desire. They should be able to review any available knowledge-base. I can not think of any other database product or associated development tool that does not have this. It may not be a good one, but they don't wave information in front of people then say you can't have it. The client is the one that ultimately paid for the license not the VAR. If the VAR wants to lock-down their client to prevent modifications that is their responsibility. I feel safe in saying this as I used to be a VAR working for a company that marketed an ERP system on UV.
Perhaps IBM could work with this group to establish a generally available knowledge-base within this community's web-space. Rich Taylor | Senior Programmer/Analyst| VERTIS 250 W. Pratt Street | Baltimore, MD 21201 P 410.361.8688 | F 410.528.0319 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.vertisinc.com Vertis is the premier provider of targeted advertising, media, and marketing services that drive consumers to marketers more effectively. "The more they complicate the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain" - Montgomery Scott NCC-1701 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:11 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] uv pe IBM isn't treating you unfairly, John. We sell through business partners and they act according to their own business models and contractual obligations with their clients as well as with their vendors. For technical information, your reseller (in your case, your Master VAR) would be the responsible party to provide it- that is the agreement your business has with your reseller. That is the agreement they have with us. A very good way to obtain technical information is to attend our annual technical conferences. An excellent (and quicker) way is to post your questions here on the u2-users list server, run by the U2 Users Group. This is a great community of very knowledgeable and helpful individuals. Having said that, U2TechConnect did not prevent you from accessing the personal editions. Anyone, including those folks that do not work for a business using U2 products could download them. That was the point. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Product Manager IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases IBM Information Management Software Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 "John Kent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] m.au> To Sent by: <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc stserver.u2ug.org Subject Re: [U2] uv pe 02/16/2005 03:19 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org What a joke Leroy I cant get access to Tech connect as we get our universe licenses through a master var This annoys us plus our client sites with inhouse programmers Its hard to defend IBM when they treat you like this jak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy Dreyfuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe > They are coming. We haven't broken any promises. The quarter is only half > over. > > I would have thought a fair number of you folks would have downloaded > earlier versions by now as they were on the U2TechConnect Website for a > couple of years. We know you all want the latest and greatest features we > have to experiment with, and you'll have them with just a little patience. > Because they are free evaluation copies, we are required to package them a > bit differently, and the U2 group was not the only group involved in the > process. We, too, had to wait. > > They are nearly ready to be placed on the Web again, and we do regret the > time it has taken to get this far. We will be sure to announce their > arrival as soon as they are ready. > > Thanks again for waiting. > > > Regards, > > LeRoy F. Dreyfuss > Product Manager > IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Extended Relational Databases > IBM Information Management Software > Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 > Mobile: 720-341-4317 Tie-line: 770-1254 > External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2 > > > > "Marc Harbeson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > .com> To > Sent by: <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> > stserver.u2ug.org cc > > Subject > 02/15/2005 09:28 RE: [U2] uv pe > PM > > > Please respond to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > er.u2ug.org > > > > > > > :-) > > I was so mad..... I had just sent the email to IBM asking them where PE > was just a few days ago.... and got put off again... till march. > > This crap is beyond silly... I can download all kinds of PE versions of > Oracle.... <poke poke poke> > > Have I lit a big enough fire yet? Where's the gas!?!? > > LOL MOVE IT IBM!!!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bruce Nichol > Sent: Tue 2/15/2005 9:32 PM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Cc: > Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe > > > > Goo'day, > > HeHe..... > At 20:24 15/02/05 -0500, you wrote: > > ><soapbox> > > > >IBM's inability to deliver development tools ON TIME makes > myself wander > > Obviously a typo, but I can't help myself.....(sorry!) > > We "wandered" too.....to a different MV....... > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: > 14/02/05 > > Regards, > > Bruce Nichol > Talon Computer Services > ALBURY NSW 2640 > Australia > > http://www.taloncs.com.au > > Tel: +61 (0)411149636 > Fax: +61 (0)260232119 > > If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: > 14/02/05 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: > 14/02/05 > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > graycol.gif] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > pic20894.gif] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > ecblank.gif] > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of graycol.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of pic18974.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of ecblank.gif] ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
