Mark: The usual rule for technologists is "we want what we want because someone else is paying for it". The usual rule for business people is "we want what works as long as it's cost effective (or cheap)". :-)
The cost difference isn't really fair for a side-by-side comparison of the benefits of the products. To me the cost is of paramount importance because whatever wIntegrate has that AccuTerm doesn't have can't possibly justify wIntegrate costing $11,250 for a 50 user operation vs $1,000 for AccuTerm when I'm paying for it. It's like U2 costing $75,000 for a 100 user license while DB2 or SQL Server costs $5,000 - $7,500 for an unlimited single CPU license. It makes it hard to compete. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:45 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [OT][U2] Wintegrate I'm all ears. I've been using Wintegrate for 10 years (most recent is W98) and was Pro-Wintegrate up until 2 years ago when a client wanted to get out from under VE-Client (that's another disaster). I wrote up my side of the story and another consultant posted his side about Accuterm 2K2 (The latest). Side, by side things were equal until we got to WED, GED and, best of all (although no flames for being only price conscious), the price. IBM wanted $225 per seat for my client's 40 user system and Accuterm was $1,000 for 50 seats. The best IBM would do is a 5% discount. Considering the immense support that I've personally received from Peter Schellenbach and the wonderful features of Accuterm, compared to the stoic corporate stonewall from IBM it was more of a no brainer. Perhaps if you're remembering Accuterm only as a terminal emulator then that's not fair to accuterm. The WED program editor is the best I've seen in my 3 decades of MV programming and the GED environment allows VB-looking forms to work directly with the MV database without any ODBC or other middleware. Plus, there's a whole boatload of VB-Scripting capabilities that make every PC and network resource available to a MV program. As an emulator, accuterm can have multiple sessions in split windows, bridge copy/paste between different systems, copy/paste to MS apps, detect PC elements like last window opened etc plus all the expected keyboard mapping, emulations and other emulator stuff. For us programmers, WED is worth the price of admission by itself. Words cannot fully describe how wonderful editing MV programs with a notepad editor that understands MV concepts as compared to just using notepad. My 2 cents for Accuterm. Mark Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Symeon Breen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT][U2] Wintegrate > No No No- Wintegrate wins against Accuterm any day ..... > > On 14/12/06, Mark Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you must get wintegrate, it should still be available from IBM. > > > > I would strongly go with Accuterm as it wins hands down on many > > comparisons. > > Unless your apps are married to wintegrate's gui components. > > > > Accuterm's GUI designer is huge. 2 of my clients have dictated that all > > new > > programs are done with it and it works perfectly side by side in a green > > screen environment. > > > > Best of all, Accuterm is $1,000 for 50 licenses versus $225 each from IBM. > > You do the math. > > > > My 1,000 cents > > Mark Johnson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nick Cipollina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:47 AM > > Subject: [OT][U2] Wintegrate > > > > > > > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Wintegrate? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Nick Cipollina > > > > > > MCTS, MCP > > > ACS Heritage, Inc. > > > 2810 North Parham Road, Suite 210 > > > Richmond, VA 23294 > > > (804) 965-8294 > > > ------- > > > u2-users mailing list > > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > ------- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
