AMEN! (but I still love my iPhone :-/) -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:37 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general
" ground-breaking iPod" You have succumbed to apple marketing, people think they invented the gui or windows - both wrong - people now think they invented mp3 players - i still have a tiny 256meg mpg player with an oled screen that i bought a couple of years before apple entered with the ipod. I have met people who think the iphone is the first ever phone with a proper web browser - in fact the advert in the uk hinted at this, and was subsequently banned for being inaccurate. Apple are one of my gripes they invent nothing but marketing ! -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glen Batchelor Sent: 17 September 2009 22:50 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general The iPhone was a progression of proprietary touch technology and combined supporting technologies and software (stemming from the original ground-breaking iPod through to the iTouch/iPhone) that did not exist with other mobile multi-media or cellular phone products. Other makers have been trying to catch up with their versions of Apple's mobile products, but they're just not in the same league. It wasn't _just_ marketing that has made iPhone popular. The overall design and execution of the technology progression was planned very well. Can you say the same for any MV database? Apple has had a long-term (and huge) client following for many of their hardware devices and software applications. Many facets of the iPhone including interface design and app design and deployment venues contributed to the fast growth. It's not just a smart phone with web toys on it. It's a business sales channel with access to many markets. It will change the way business is being done, even more so than the Palm and Blackberry. Suggesting that marketing can help U2 grow the way the iPhone has is just absurd. Sure, we need marketing help in general but what has been said before is still true; people don't buy databases, they buy solutions. The iPhone is a solution (which runs SQLite for the apps BTW). Write an application for the iPhone that talks to U2 and sell it if you want to broaden the horizon. I have a few ideas of my own, but I'm not paying $800 for a used MacBook just to try a market idea out. :) I got twin toddlers to feed and bills to pay!! ---------------------------------------- Glen Batchelor IT Director All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: webmas...@all-spec.com Web: http://www.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com ---------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- > boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Chanco > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:14 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general > > Maybe they will hire apple's marketing dept. and in a release or two > down the line we'll have customers standing in line to buy U2? > > They did it with iPhone so I'm sure they can do it with U2 > > Dougc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Frank > Eperjesi > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:53 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general > > Not to knock Rocket (Especially now that I guess I am be a dealer of > there). Also I have no history with them > > A lot of what all you say as to U2 not evolving enough is true, but part > of the reason for that and problems in the D3, U2 or mult-value world in > general is that almost all the current multi-value providers are doing > one or more of these things .: > > 1) Either living off the bones of their installed base and/or swooping > in to feed off of whoever is still running D3 and its flavors, but doing > nothing to attract new users. IBM falls into the 2nd category. > > 2) Jbase (& I think Cache) are successful application software companies > that basically created their own version of Multi-value to migrate to > save their investment. I have not looked a Jbase in a while, but Cache > has some nice new features. > > > My company (BAI) is one of the dwindling software providers still > bringing in "fresh meat" to the table. > > Up to now just saying U2 was part of IBM made a HUGE difference. The > original Unidata name was not a good as saying we were an IBM database > but their name and support material were very good. > > As good a Rocket may be, not sure saying we are running on a data base > from a company called "rocketsoftware" will be any help in selling to > our prospect base. > > Unlike IBM we will have to sell RocketSoftware viability as well as our > applications. > > Unless Rocket comes up with a super marketing effort, things just got a > lot harder for us. > > > > > > > > > > Frank E. Eperjesi > Vice President > Business Automation, Inc. > (714) 998-6600 phone (714) 998-6170 Fax > > * * * * Internet Email Confidentiality Footer * * * * > > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If > you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for > delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver > this message to anyone. 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