Dear All :- 'The premises provide no information about the desired P' is a tenable view. Even for those who agree, however, it is untrue that P is undetermined according to all standard probability theories.
For example, an orthodox Bayesian who accepted that "Robert wears large-sized shoes" was fit for probabilistic treatment would have a specific _a priori_ probability for that statement. If the other statements inspire no opinion change, then the answer for this analyst is "P equals <my _a priori_ probability>," which is a definite number. There is no obligation to assent to 'the premises provide no information about the desired P.' If we understand what is being said in the shoe problem to imply that Most members of a population to which Robert belongs wear large shoes then we might think about direct inference and the fraught relationships between statements about a population and statements about a member of that population. In the birds-at-sea example cited in an earlier posting, Polya makes a typical direct inferential leap, that what is true of bird sightings in general says something about this particular occasion. It is probability theory which tells us that that is a leap. Whether or not one jumps is up to the believer. Describing "the logical laws of probability," de Finetti wrote These laws are the conditions which characterize coherent opinions (that is, opinions which are admissible in their own right) and which distinguish them from others that are intrinsically contradictory. The choice of one of these admissible opinions from among all the others is not objective at all and does not enter into the logic of the probable... 'More likely than not, Robert wears large shoes, on the available information' is an admissible conclusion. Many other conclusions are also admissible. Professor Zadeh is correct, then, that probability theory does not dictate an answer in his example. It would be magical if any method for non-demonstrative deliberation could prescribe the content of someone's beliefs. Probability offers advice about whether opinions are consistent, not whether they are right, nor even impeccably justified. The question in the BISC root posting was not whether probability theory decides the issues arising in the example. The question was whether probability theory addresses them. The correct answer is yes. Best regards. Paul Snow The de Finetti quote appears on page 110 of Henry Kyburg's translation of "Foresight, its logical laws, its subjective sources" in Kyburg and Smokler (eds.) _Studies in Subjective Probability_, Wiley, 1964. For de Finetti's application of his views to direct inference, see pages 115 and following. A discussion of direct inference by Henry himself starts at the bottom of page 283 in his classic "Bayesian and non-Bayesian evidential updating" (_Artificial Intelligence_ 31, 1987).