Hi Henrik and Matt (and perhaps by copy the rest of the Accessibility Team if my email goes through),
Thanks for the replies. I didn't realize we had a team dedicated this (which is fantastic) ergo my email to Matt who was listed as the package maintainer. I certainly had no intent of causing any discord. I was simply making a request for something that made no sense to me until now. And, certainly, it was not a request for Dapper which is due out in a few days. Now that I know why the decision was made, it makes more sense to me (as well as the unattended install requirement I saw on launchpad). For the future (etch+), I would encourage the Accessibility team to consider an accessibility metapackage (e.g. ubuntu-access, kubuntu-access, xubuntu-access, or something similar) which would install items like brltty, gnome-accessibility-themes, etc, instead of including them in the desktop metapackages. I occasionally do installs for special needs folks and this would help me and the people I'm assisting by making the install a little easier. Although I will admit that Dapper now installs most of the important things automatically (at-spi, gnome magnifier, etc.). Anyway, not trying to cause trouble. It was just a friendly note that I see now should have gone direct to UA team. Thanks for your patience and understanding and I apologize if I got anyone's temper going, Joey Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 01:22:04PM -0600, Joey Stanford wrote: >> >>> I would like to voice a request to have brltty removed from the >>> ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-desktop metapackages >>> please. It's needed for a relatively small number of users (even >>> those with >>> visual impairments use magnification utilities most of the time rather >>> than a Braille reader). >>> >> >> The accessibility team felt that it was appropriate to include this >> tool. >> Please discuss it with them before requesting such a change. >> > It is true that the brltty package is only used by a small group of > people, but to that group it is extremely important. A typical desktop > app like Gaim will have many more users, but it has less of an impact > on those users if it is missing because it can be installed. > > The key point is that certain user groups *cannot use their computer > at all* if the assistive technologies they need are not installed. Not > being able to use the computer means not being able to install those > things either, a catch 22. > > There are not many disabled users on Linux ATM, in part because the > accessibility has so far been poor. This is what we are trying to > change by adding these applications. We are (hopefully) moving towards > a more inclusive society in general and Ubuntu wants to be in the > forefront of that. You might want to read this: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility > > It is true that many visually impaired users use speech output (in > part because braille devices are very expensive -- a separate > problem). However, many find braille more useful because they work in > an office with other people or because their hearing is poor as well (!). >> >>> We might consider creating an ubunut-accessibility metapackage (just as >>> KDE and Gnome have done) that would put things like this in it. >>> >> > There are different ways to organise the tools in terms of packaging, > but I would not support removing this functionality from the default > install for the reasons given above. > > - Henrik
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