Hi: Thanks for your interest in Orca.
> Some Orca issues. I'm using the latest binary available via apt-get in > Dapper. Thanks for helping test Orca and for bringing issues to our attention. It would probably be best if you brought these discussions to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list In addition, if you could keep it to one problem per e-mail, it would help everyone track the problems better. Multiple unrelated problems in the same e-mail message with a generic subject makes it really difficult to track problems. As a hint: really long messages containing lots of different questions tend to sit in my inbox for a long time since I know they are going to take a lot of time to respond to. Short messages with specific points and specific subjects tend to have the quickest turnaround. > I've found that in some very basic apps tracking fails rather > miserably. I wonder if these are known issues and or specific to my machine > or if there's anything I can do. I've switched my theme to inverse high > contrast 800x600, which is the clearest of the bunch for me, though far from > what I'd like. When you say "tracking", are you referring to speech, magnification, braille? In addition, you need to be very specific about the app(s) you are trying to use. Some of them are not accessible. > So here are the tracking issues: > in Gconf, when you navigate a list of values for a key, such as the list of > visible columns for NAutilus, Orca fails to track the selection at all. I'm very puzzled. Can you give more specific example(s) (in a new thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED]) of what you're doing and what's not working? These may seem like the same problem, but they're probably different. > The > same thing, in my experience, with the Gnome panel if you move around the > icon view containing all the panels you can add. Orca seems to speak nothing > and the flat review keys, Again, I'm not really sure about what you're doing here. I think you're talking about the "Add to Panel" dialog you get when you select "Add to Panel..." from the gnome-panel? If so, there may be a bug in the accessibility implementation of the icon view being presented by this dialog and we should enter a bug against gnome-panel. Can you provide specific steps to reproduce the problem (in a new thread on [EMAIL PROTECTED])? > which should be changeable for laptops, by the > way, We definitely agree that customization is needed. This is being worked on: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354970 > The third app where I'm having similar issues is a file manager that was > recommended to me namely Rox Filer. Tracking does work in the menus and > dialogs but nothing is tracked when you select an icon in the main window. > That prevents me ffrom using the app in the first place. I don't like > Nautilus as it is barely as configurable as WIndows Explorer, which is not > much, period. I've not seen the problem you are describing with Nautilus. I need more detail with what you are doing and the problems you are seeing. In addition, you might try using the list view in Nautilus. You can enable this by bringing up the Edit->Preferences dialog and selecting "List View" in the "View new folders using:" combo box. I'm not familiar with Rox Filer. Where did you obtain it and how do you run it? > If even garden variety Gnome apps have this bad issues, I wonder how usable > the average gnome app would be. At the moment I'm rather sceptical about it. I realize you are probably frustrated with Orca right now. We want to help. I think we can work through these things, but we definitely need more specific detail about problems that you are running into. Without this, both of us will be frustrated and we'll have trouble getting anywhere. ;-) > How do GTK1 apps like XMMS look to Orca? I'm a huge Winamp fan, as far as > exotic formats go, so would really need access to this app as it is the > closest Winamp equivalent you can get. Something which can use XMMS plugs > would also do. I don't think the GTK1 toolkit supports the accessibility infrastructure (AT-SPI), so any assistive technology relying on the AT-SPI will not be able to access it. There may be an alternative to XMMS, though. I use my computer about 11hrs day for work only and get relatively little joy out of it, so I'm the wrong person to ask about for entertainment and other diversions on the machine. ;-) Other folks on the orca-list may be able to point you to more accessible applications, though. > Lastly, I have noticed that my issue about gnome-panel crashing when trying > to run orca in the run box is not specific to that app. When Gnopernicus > starts the first time on logging in it works fine. IF I close it down and > try rerrunning it in the run box, it crashes the gnoem panel similarly to > how running Orca does. Too bad. Yeah - something is very odd with gnome-panel on Ubuntu. It seems to be quite depressed and commits suicide frequently and without warning. I think the Ubuntu guys are taking it to therapy, though: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2006-October/001260.html > Which makes me wonder two things. How do you > change which app GNome uses as the screen reader? Orca is the default screen reader for GNOME. > I'd like to have Orca > start up when the screen reader box is checked. It should do so as of GNOME 2.16 (and Ubuntu Edgy). Is this not happening for you? > And also, step by step > instructions on how to update or downgrade the gnome panel component, to > resolve these issues, would be appreciated. I think keeping an eye on the Ubuntu updates would be the thing to do. Henrik, if you're keeping an eye on this thread - are you aware of the gnome-panel crashing issue on Ubuntu. If so, do you have any information on it? Hope this helps, Will -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
