I'm probably going to pass on this version entirely. A new version ought to come with accessibility improvements beyond gutsy that may be worth installing.
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Mike Reiser wrote: > I've tried it in a vm on windows and natively on the cd and no luck in eather > case. I think we should wait until it is finally confirmed that the cd works > properly. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mike Reiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: Disappointed with Gutsy live (long) > > >> I read over on the speakup list of another failed attempt to get the system >> upgraded from feisty to gutsy using the CD if memory serves. Apparently not >> all the hardware that was on the computer was supported by gutsy so dpkg >> went into a Catch #22 situation where further upgrading is blocked because >> dpkg couldn't install a package correctly and completely. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Mike Reiser wrote: >> >> > I share your disappointments, I can't even get the live CD to work here. >> > We've been basically excluded from the testing phase of this version >> > also. >> > >> > Mike >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Deborah Norling >> > To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:06 PM >> > Subject: Disappointed with Gutsy live (long) >> > >> > >> > I like Ubuntu, because as they say, it usually "just works". I run a >> > feisty-based server and helped my sighted husband set up MythTV on a >> > pre-release of Gutsy. >> > >> > That's why I'm particularly disappointed with the newly released Gutsy >> > live desktop CD. I'm posting this in detail in hopes that I've just >> > missed something crucial. >> > >> > I played with the Feisty live CD back in March and April of this year, >> > before and after it was released. I never successfully installed Feisty >> > using Orca. I had no trouble at all with Ubuntu (any version) if I stuck >> > to the alternate or server install CD, and installed using the serial >> > port. But the problems I had with Feisty six months ago seem to still be >> > occurring. >> > >> > Serial ports are disappearing from desktops so I want to be able to use >> > Linux without needing to depend on speakup, hardware synthesizers or >> > serial consoles. At this point Linux is a hobby; I work as a Windows >> > computer tech for a college. But I hope to eventually ditch Windows and >> > even find employment working in a non-windows environment. >> > >> > I boot the Gutsy live desktop CD and press F5 for the access options. I >> > press 3 or arrow down to it, to activate Orca. I press ENTER twice and >> > wait a couple of minutes. >> > >> > Orca runs, and it seems to be working as well as it ever worked. It >> > can't read help, which would seem to be the first thing a new user would >> > want to do, but OpenOffice does work, so I presume it is happy with my >> > hardware. >> > >> > I run brltty by quitting orca, running gnome-terminal, typing sudo su >> > and on the next command line typing "brltty -bauto -d/dev/ttyUSB0". >> > >> > Brltty runs, but says the screen is not in text mode. Ok, guess even in >> > a terminal, we aren't in text mode. >> > >> > It would be nice if this was better documented; the need to run brltty >> > for Braille support, even though Braille support is already checked in >> > the Orca preferences, the fact that even in gnome-terminal the screen is >> > presumably not text-based, and the fact that help isn't working. I can >> > add to the wiki of course. but would beginners know to look there? What >> > about a readme on the CD, which auto-starts in Windows with a screen >> > that's basically advertising for Ubuntu with no real information. Or >> > maybe just a how-to page on the Ubuntu site that covers all this. I am >> > eager to improve the docs, but I have to get it running first and know >> > what I'm doing. >> > >> > Another disappointment: this is still brltty 3.72. The Orca wiki states >> > that it's better to use 3.8 because it can be compiled with the python >> > bindings -- so why is an older, less effective version on this new live >> > CD? >> > >> > I run Orca again and now it is communicating with brltty. Python >> > bindings or not, it seems to show everything in Braille just fine. >> > >> > On my Windows PC, I search the internet for information about installing >> > Gutsy using Orca. Lots of info about conflicts with different versions >> > of portaudio, forum postings about how cool it is that Ubuntu is >> > accessible, but no definitive tutorial or how-to on installing. A few >> > days ago, I found lots more information on fixing MythTV problems. It's >> > disappointing that there is so little information as I do believe >> > strongly in RTFM. >> > >> > I've already tried the Install icon from the desktop with my husband >> > reading the screen. He confirms that the install runs, but Orca can only >> > echo keystrokes, it reads nothing in the install dialogs. >> > >> > I locate instructions on installing Feisty with Orca, the same wiki page >> > I've myself contributed to. I follow those instructions, running >> > gnome-terminal, typing sudo su, quitting orca, then running orca again >> > with orca --disable-setup --disable main-window. I next type ubiquity, >> > and the install runs, but still, Orca can't read any of it. Not even in >> > flat review does it see anything. >> > >> > Between these tests I've done alt-ctrl-backspace to kill the X session, >> > and brltty remains active, informing me that default boot scripts are >> > being run. Each time Orca does automatically load and work with Braille. >> > It crashes once, but I get it back easily, and the system seems >> > generally stable. >> > >> > At one point, I try running gparted as root, and though ps confirms that >> > gparted is running, Orca can't read its screen either. Is orca only >> > really able to let me access just a few "productivity" apps? I saw that >> > Sun at CSUN had done a session on MythTV with Orca last year, so I'd >> > expected Orca to work with a wide variety of software. >> > >> > I've tried this on several PCS and I can't figure out if Orca is really >> > this undeveloped or I'm doing something wrong. >> > >> > I've looked on the wiki at what I presume are the latest release notes; >> > they discuss details like the spell-checker working better in >> > OpenOffice, Firefox 2 vs 3 and the bugginess of acroread. I'm grateful >> > that so much hard work has gone in to working with the Firefox >> > developers and scripting applications like Gaim, But I now just want to >> > read the install dialogs. >> > >> > In theory, since X is client-server based, since all information is >> > openly available, and because a whole ton of people are working hard on >> > this project, Orca should be miles ahead of Windows screen readers like >> > JAWS. I'm disappointed; I really want to ditch Windows, but how can I if >> > access is this flaky still? >> > >> > --Debee >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list >> > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility >> > > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility