Hi I like that approach, Plus as I'm totally blind, I don't care about the graphics and that's just resources being used for no reason for some buttons.
Alex On 5/24/11, PCMan <pcman...@gmail.com> wrote: > For the panel, Brian Cameron has a good idea. He suggested that we can > use a different UI for orca. > That means, replacing all buttons in the bar with standard GtkButton > widget rather than some hand-made ones. > This looks ugly, but will have much better usability. If > "accessibility mode" is on, we use standard GtkButton with text label > rather than current ones with images on them. > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Phill Whiteside <phi...@ubuntu.com> wrote: >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Rob Whyte <fu...@thefudge.net> >> Date: Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:24 AM >> Subject: Re: Lubuntu and Accessibility >> To: Phill Whiteside <phi...@ubuntu.com> >> >> >> Hi guys, >> in my own efforts to get orca better with LXDE I conversed with Klaus >> Knopper the author of Knoppix. >> I have put his notes below.. >> I also tried with nto much success to try and figure out why orca did not >> work with thunar though it claims to have great gtk support. >> Please find notes below and hope it is helpful. >> >> export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN="gtk" GTK_MODULES="gail:atk-bridge" >> before starting a GTK program makes it aware of orca as screenreader. >> You need to start orca as well, of course. >> >> The panel containing the menu (lxpanel in our case) will send the >> "highlighted" menu item to orca automatically if the two variables >> mentioned before are set before starting lxpanel. The tricky part is to >> pop up the menu without the mouse. Unfortunately, lxpanel does not have a >> "hotkey" for this on its own, but the command "lxpanelctl menu" will >> notify lxpanel to show the menu. Now you add this command to the window >> managers hotkey list (which is different in compiz-fusion and metacity), >> and you are there. Once the hotkey (Alt-F1 in Knoppix) is pressed, >> lxpanelctl menu will be called, and the menu pops up. >> >> I did not find a way yet to browse through the dock icons in lxpanel, >> though it must be possible somehow, since using the mouse will focus the >> icons and lets orca speak them. Maybe, just the internal link between >> icons and a hotkey for selecting them is missing. >> >> pcmanfm works quite well with orca, though the "desktop background" >> version of it is not very talkative. If you start the windowed version >> of pcmanfm, you can switch between canvases with eithger TAB or the >> cursor keys (sometimes it's not very intuitive to understand which one >> to use). >> >> It should be possible, yet I'm unsure how to make the desktop manager >> part of pcmanfm put the focus on the first icon on the desktop. Once one >> item has the focus, you can browse through the desktop icons with the >> cursor keys. >> surely pcmanfm >> could need some accessibility enhancements concerning hotkeys and their >> documentation. >> >> in regards to accessing the panel, >> The only way I found so far is the "lxpanelctl" command which is to be >> called by the window manager. Alt-F1 pops up the menu in Knoppix. >> >> The hotkey modifications for compiz-fusion and metacity concerning the >> lxpanel menu is present in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/45knoppix. Here is an >> excerpt: >> >> -- >> >> case "$STARTUP" in >> *lxde|lx*) # Need to change Alt_F1 and Alt_F2 hotkeys in order to make >> LXDE >> menu accessible >> sed -i -e 's/as_main_menu_key *=.*$/as_main_menu_key = Disabled/g' \ >> -e 's/as_run_command0_key *=.*$/as_run_command0_key = <AltF1/g' \ >> -e 's/as_command0 *=.*$/as_command0 = lxpanelctl menu/g' \ >> "$HOME/.config/compiz/compizconfig/Default.ini" 2/dev/null >> gconftool --type string \ >> --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/panel_main_menu >> disabled >> \ >> --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/panel_run_dialog >> disabled >> \ >> --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_1 '<AltF1' >> \ >> --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_2 '<AltF2' >> \ >> --set /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_1 'lxpanelctl >> menu' \ >> --set /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_2 'lxpanelctl >> run' >> ;; >> *) # Change Alt-F1 back when not running lxde >> sed -i -e 's/as_main_menu_key *=.*$/as_main_menu_key = <AltF1/g' \ >> "$HOME/.config/compiz/compizconfig/Default.ini" 2/dev/null >> gconftool --type string \ >> --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/panel_main_menu >> '<AltF1' >> \ >> --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/panel_run_dialog >> '<AltF2' >> ;; >> esac >> >> -- >> >> Of course this can also be set manually in gconf-editor (metacity/gnome) >> or >> ccsm (compiz-fusion). >> >> Klaus Knopper >> >> >> >> On 23/05/11 19:58, Phill Whiteside wrote: >>> >>> Hiyas, >>> >>> much has happened recently, including lubuntu getting clearance for full >>> adoption at 11.10 by Canonical. Whilst I have quietly pushed >>> accessibility (well, maybe not so quietly) as a part of lubuntu, we now >>> need a bit of help off this team. >>> >>> Our specification of the minimal hardware it will run on cannot be >>> broken, nor can our commitment to pre i686 processors. >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu >>> >>> From a general chat to our head of development on lubuntu, he is of the >>> opinion that if the code is really (and I mean really) tight, that it >>> would be possible to include within the very tight constraints that we >>> are committed to be able to uphold the inclusion of accessibility and >>> has agreed that we should really strive to attain this. >>> >>> We are short of devs who can dedicate resources to this task, so I ask >>> that any of you who can assist do so. I'd really like to see lubuntu >>> 11.10 come out with as much accessibility as is possible on " A Pentium >>> II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a bottom-line >>> configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with Lubuntu" >>> >>> So, once you've all had your heart attacks and say it cannot be done... >>> the ones who go "hmmm, that is actually possible.." Please make your >>> selves known. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Phill. >>> >>> -- >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop >> Post to : lubuntu-desk...@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
