Hi, On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:22:47 (-0500), Christopher Chaltain wrote: > If you're trying to subscribe to the Vinux support list, try sending > a blank email message to vinux-support+subscr...@googlegroups.com
Thanks, it works. However, all the messages I send now to vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com don't arrive. Not error but not feedback (I don't receive my own messages and answers). I subscribe a free.fr address. egards, > > On 07/26/2013 08:08 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Ok, but I cannot subscribe on vinux-list. The only access point I find is > >a javascript interface and I've not a suitable browser. So how can I > >subscribe? > > > >Anyway, as you say, personally, I've my current am]iers about Vinux and I'll > >test next week. > > > >Regards, > > > >On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:23:50 (+1000), Rob Whyte wrote: > >>Hi, > >>I think this thread can be closed now. > >>It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point. > >> > >>If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be > >>preferable. > >> > >>Kind regards > >>Rob Whyte > >>On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >>>I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list > >>>have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any > >>>more, and never have, about the plans for Unity accessibility than > >>>anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu > >>>accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC > >>>channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This > >>>is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS > >>>releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an > >>>easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the > >>>plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I > >>>assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal. > >>> > >>>I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks > >>>out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one > >>>person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates > >>>something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I > >>>don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers, > >>>applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience. > >>> > >>>The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus > >>>accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers". > >>>Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as > >>>snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with > >>>what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the > >>>developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I > >>>can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and > >>>this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the > >>>matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the > >>>precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as > >>>simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no > >>>discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you > >>>think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that > >>>people reading your message understand that the accessibility > >>>developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely > >>>honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to > >>>defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving > >>>from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions. > >>> > >>>BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal > >>>was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have > >>>attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and > >>>participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm > >>>not sure what other conclusion could have been made though. > >>> > >>>BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to > >>>be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which > >>>is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an > >>>inference then that's great. > >>> > >>>On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > >>>>Placated? No, we weren't placated. We were told that's how it was > >>>>going to > >>>>be and we could suck it up til 14.04. I heard you work for > >>>>Cannonical which > >>>>makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time > >>>>anyone > >>>>speaks against it. If this is the case, would you very kindly answer > >>>>the > >>>>million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message: > >>>> > >>>>Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? > >>>>If not, > >>>>when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity? > >>>> > >>>>Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be > >>>>inflammatory. I > >>>>*was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country > >>>>where such > >>>>things are allowed. I was far more concerned with whether or not I > >>>>should > >>>>project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not. You > >>>>see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan. I follow them on > >>>>Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have > >>>>even > >>>>hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about > >>>>Linux. So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can, > >>>>please. > >>>> > >>>>Thank you. > >>>>Alex M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-boun...@gnome.org] On Behalf Of > >>>>Christopher Chaltain > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM > >>>>To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List > >>>>Cc: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; orca-l...@gnome.org > >>>>Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT > >>>> > >>>>Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to > >>>>focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to > >>>>provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available. > >>>>This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the > >>>>time. > >>>>Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a > >>>>statement > >>>>or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies. > >>>> > >>>>On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > >>>>>Hi, all, > >>>>> > >>>>>It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in > >>>>>the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone > >>>>>know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all > >>>>>disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu > >>>>>12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's > >>>>>wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our > >>>>>ruffled feathers when 12.10 and > >>>>>13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, > >>>>>now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of > >>>>>accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even > >>>>>more in light of this development. Please see link below: > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced > >>>>> > >>>>>Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>>Alex M > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>orca-list mailing list > >>>>>orca-l...@gnome.org > >>>>>https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>>>The manual is at > >>>>>http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>>>The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>>>Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > >>>>>how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Christopher (CJ) > >>>>chaltain at Gmail > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>orca-list mailing list > >>>>orca-l...@gnome.org > >>>>https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>>The manual is at > >>>>http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>>The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>>Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > >>>>how to > >>>>help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>>> > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>orca-list mailing list > >>orca-l...@gnome.org > >>https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>The manual is at > >>http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >_______________________________________________ > >orca-list mailing list > >orca-l...@gnome.org > >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >The manual is at > >http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-l...@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
