Kenneth, that is what I talk about, few times ago, here on this forum ..this kind of "pro-cons" keep me out a bit, being ... somewhat disappointed.
I prefer to work quick - on clear objectives - on a recent post I reaffirmed idea of 'teams' with different objectives - but on a common, planned, concentrated effort... No any response ;) on subject. Here too much pro and contra and bla-bla. So maybe the best thing is to organize spaces ( being on Bazaar or Launchpad ) for various kind of tasks and who wanna do something - they can go on the specific place. ............................... The best thing you can do now - is to request a response form members ( just informal ) - which one - where can help with his / her expertize / skills. This way you can have a better idea about who can really help with something and who just talk. Just in case. Peoples with skills will help - but is hard for them to self organize things here because they come after their work hours and they expect to see something clear to follow - not to get more nerves. Anyway, following discussions here - from time to time - I can see some progress - slow but visible - last months peoples start to create materials - and they get better. But i'm afraid this process is too slow to be ready on time. Kenneth Wimer wrote: > Hi all, > > I've had my head up a time-zone map for the last couple of days (it went so > far as to require a new computer). Sorry if it seemed like I was gone, I was > really there but just acting like a zombie...mockups made in free time this > weekend coming soon :-) > > I'd like to touch on a few issues directly in response to the general > discussion, not all of which were included in this thread but all of which > are certainly pertainant to the matter. > > I use the word artwork later, it almost hurts me to do so. What we lack, more > than anything else, is the framework to do something amazing. > > The art teams goal is to produce artwork which one can use in ubuntu. > Basically, this means creating installable debian packages for ubuntu linux > which include artwork and configuration information to create a distinct look > and feel based on the technical possibilities/limitations. Usually, in order > to do this as a team you'll need to do it all with launchpad.net and bazaar > (bzr) > > Because there is a big difference between the various jobs you'll almost > certainly need to do it by coordinating your efforts with others. To this > end, the idea of theme teams arose in which the community can bridge the gap > between proposing random ideas and working as a team(s) on specific > ideas/goals. > > As stated on the FAQ (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/FAQ) the default artwork > is decided by the Canonical management team. The community can work on new > ideas for the default artwork but should not expect to make any final > decisions. Parts of the default artwork currently in Hardy are community > efforts. Part of my job at Canonical is to be the official voice for the > company in relation to artwork matters. > > As Salane has mentioned, creating coordinated efforts to change parts of the > default look *is* possible....it is just really, really hard for many > reasons :-) > > Defining an artistic direction would greatly increase the productivity of > talented artists, talented artists are what we lack most of, funny how that > works, eh? > > In the meantime an interesting wallpaper idea is probably the best way to > start, but don't tell anyone I said that, it defies the whole idea of > artistic direction. Reality meets "the-way-things-should-be".Fight the evil > spirits and overcome those who defy you (based on a very conservative > assumption of what is currently technically possible). > > Basically, you have to do the same thing as a theme team does, even if only > for one specific aspect of the current theme. Show your ideas by actuallythe > producing something. > > I would add that you'd also need to accept that radical change is only going > to happen in the rarest of exceptions and to be willing to listen to > criticism (whether you agree or not, and more importantly in many cases, > whether you understand exactly what is meant or not) and act upon it in a > productive manner. > > There is a big difference between random discussion and doing something which > proves your necessity, skill/talent, willingness to stay on the train for the > whole ride and serve drinks, whatever. This is the necessary first step. > > We've tried for a while now to revive art.ubuntu.com but little has happened, > it got stuck in code review and is forevermore lost :-) I suggest using > ubuntu-art.org for general submissions. The person who runs it is a friend of > mine, so there shouldn't be any problems. We can, as desired, reserve the > wiki for serious theme team proposals and work in progress. > > On Thursday 24 July 2008 20:25:47 Matthew Nuzum wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Its just I hear stuff from people who have been here long, but what >>> have they done? Ken himself has said the art team needs to prove >>> itself to be trusted with anything substantial. >>> >> In order for this team to have a success this time around, one person >> needs to take ownership of a project (a theme) and ensure that >> whatever needs to be done in order to get it complete and installable >> gets done. >> > > Right, this has been what we want to achieve for quite some time now. Groups > of people working towards their own goal(s). Talents from one team benefit > others, more gets done and it becomes easier for everyone. Get something real > out there, that is the whole point, or? > > >> There are very few people who can create all of the graphical elements >> of a theme AND package it AND get it ready for distribution. But >> that's ok because one person doesn't need to *do* all of that. They >> just need to be tenacious enough to get it done, asking for help where >> necessary. As a matter of fact, the right person may not be able to do >> any of the tasks other than being able to get something done. >> >> It is a challenge but people on this list have accomplished it. For >> example, "Who" has been very active on the list lately and he is one >> of the people who achieved this goal a few releases ago. And he didn't >> even have PPAs available for his project! As a matter of fact, you can >> benefit from his hard work by starting with the bluebuntu source >> package and using it as the base for your own theme. If in doubt, ask >> for help either here or the MOTUs. >> > > Indeed, I could note a couple of people who have been really helpfull in the > last couple of years. In respect to the good work they have done I tend to > value their opinion very much. The nicest thing I learned about this team is > the fact that you can meet people with whom you totally disagree and still > work towards something better by expanding each others understanding of > design, desires, needs, etc. > > I hope to see more people working together. > > I have offered to help various people with bzr, launchpad, etc. If there are > a > group of people interested, we can make some kind of session out of it. > > -- > Kenneth > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art