sounds as though you guys have a nice click of people working already, a bit insidious, but I hope in the future you will consider other artists in your great possition of power and control. Maybe someday others will have the chance to express thier creativity. Sounds like the direction of the new world order a few in power over all the others. Have fun with that.
--- On Sun, 4/19/09, ubuntu-art-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com <ubuntu-art-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com> wrote: From: ubuntu-art-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com <ubuntu-art-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 46, Issue 57 To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 6:47 PM Send ubuntu-art mailing list submissions to ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-art-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-art-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-art digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring. (Cory K.) 2. Re: Wiki content. (Daniel Scott Matthews) 3. Re: Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring. (Andrew) 4. Re: Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring. (Matthew Lye) 5. Hanso Theme (James Schriver) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:41:24 -0400 From: "Cory K." <coryis...@ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring. To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork <ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <49eb8c74.20...@ubuntu.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kyle Family wrote: > I am totally enthusiastic about a plan like this, if this is what it > takes to get Ubuntu looking more "sophisticated." Because in my > personal opinion, there are some very "amateur" things about Ubuntu > (although I love the distro) mainly that being the graphical end. What > I would love to see is a lot higher standard on the "overall look," > and "feel." Well the work would only be seen in the community packages but who knows what the future holds. But the point of all this would be to get more focused and organized. There's many questions that pop up that nobody can definitively answer because really, nobody's in charge. A council IMO will solve this. And yes. This approach will raise the barrier for entry and be exclusionary. I don't feel that's a bad thing. We *need* to be more than a collection of nutcases (myself included) and try to provide a place where only the best art comes through. -Cory K. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:48:37 +1000 From: Daniel Scott Matthews <dsmatth...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Wiki content. To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <1a130e2d0904191348yf5b117v8bdd599749dbe...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:34 AM, <ubuntu-art-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com> wrote: > On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 05:54 +1000, Daniel Scott Matthews wrote: > >> I hope my good humored response to the antics on the wiki made a >> point, there is a fine line between creativity and mischief, when >> people cross that line it is best dealt with in a light hearted >> manner, lest we find our selves feeding trolls. ?:-) > > Hmm. To me it looked like you renamed the page Bret created before he > managed to edit it, to turn it into what is now the 2nd attempt: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Karmic Koala Concept Art > > Only now I have to think of the other explanation for all of this :/ > That is one of the brilliant aspects of the wiki concept, you have complete freedom, yet the revision history also gives you an audit trail and full accountability. I would like to think that my edit actually inspired the final (more relevant) version of the page. ;-) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:29:29 -0400 From: Andrew <a.star...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring. To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork <ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <a41bb2f80904191429s8169ef1o6860b7a701617...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Cory K. <coryis...@ubuntu.com> wrote: > 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing > it and making it a moderated team. If nothing else, this really should be done. The LP team is basically useless in its current state. According to the members page we now have: 152 active members 784 inactive members I'm not entirely sure what LP uses to designate active members, I imagine that it is simply whether or not some one has logged into LP recently. Either way, it's definitely not representative of the actual people doing work. Making the team moderated would make it much more useful. As it is now, it's just another badge on your profile page. > > 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list > (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only. Agreed. I imagine art-discuss being much like the current list. People sharing things the are working on ect... The moderated list could focus more on decision making processes ect... It should also be set up (like ubuntu-devel) so that non-members may still subscribe. I think there might be some misconceptions that this would be a secret list of some sort. > 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of > currently trusted members. Agreed. What this team needs more than anything else are some defined goals and projects. Right now, it's mostly just people throwing things against a wall to see what sticks. The steps you propose would go a long way to help. - Andrew ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:20:06 +1000 From: Matthew Lye <matthew....@ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring. To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork <ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <51975e7d0904191520mcd252c6s868e9c9619e9a...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Its probably a good idea to have council created, if just to give direction and create guidelines. The largest problem this team seems to have is a lack of collective focus, everyone is attempting to develop something different rather than looking at designs submitted and working together to develop the aspects of each that are good into a cohesive theme. Currently insane amounts of times are wasted on developing ideas that end up not being included. I would avoid trying to give the task of managing the artwork development to the council because it will likely be time consuming and many of people I've seen suggested have limited time available. In terms of making the team no longer open, again a good idea but have a clear way to get accepted documented in the wiki, and note what sort of contributions your after. Id also suggest to create focus groups for theme development (both code and art), backgrounds, and for the wiki maintenance and make acceptance based on contributions to one or another group (likely via a recommendation by a focus group lead). Id also suggest you make a spot for people that contribute purely through well thought out critique. Someone who can do that can be incredibly valuable even if they cant create anything more that stick figures. -Matthew Lye You can do anything you set your mind to when you have vision, determination, and and endless supply of expendable labor. <No tree's were harmed during this transmission. However, a great number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Andrew <a.star...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Cory K. <coryis...@ubuntu.com> wrote: > > 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing > > it and making it a moderated team. > > If nothing else, this really should be done. The LP team is basically > useless in its current state. > > According to the members page we now have: > > 152 active members > 784 inactive members > > I'm not entirely sure what LP uses to designate active members, I > imagine that it is simply whether or not some one has logged into LP > recently. Either way, it's definitely not representative of the actual > people doing work. > > Making the team moderated would make it much more useful. As it is > now, it's just another badge on your profile page. > > > > > 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list > > (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only. > > Agreed. > > I imagine art-discuss being much like the current list. People sharing > things the are working on ect... > > The moderated list could focus more on decision making processes > ect... It should also be set up (like ubuntu-devel) so that > non-members may still subscribe. I think there might be some > misconceptions that this would be a secret list of some sort. > > > 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of > > currently trusted members. > > Agreed. > > What this team needs more than anything else are some defined goals > and projects. Right now, it's mostly just people throwing things > against a wall to see what sticks. The steps you propose would go a > long way to help. > > - Andrew > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/attachments/20090420/00a722e5/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:46:56 -0400 From: James Schriver <jws...@verizon.net> Subject: [ubuntu-art] Hanso Theme To: ubuntu-art <ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <1240192016.31597.21.ca...@jws141-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm in the process of developing a highly usable dark/hybrid theme for Karmic. I've been using the theme for over a week and it's very usable in it's current state. The focus of this theme is to make something a bit different from the normal hybrid theme and demonstrate that brown can be beautiful while still saying "Hey, is that Ubuntu?". A majority of all dark gtk themes is that a majority are black/grey. This theme is a dark rich brown with pronounced gradients on the toolbars. This may appear a bit obtrusive to some but the effects will grow. A majority of sites (Google Docs, Sprint, etc) use this type of gradient on their toolbars and it does give a modern dimensional appeal to it. Another common issue I had was with darker themes, is that they looked highly detailed with contrast during the day, but as the day grew on and the lighting environment darkened, the dark themes became a bit bland and washed out. I seem to have managed to mitigate that issue, at least for my eyes. The metacity theme is a modification of DiMetacity, by Ken Vermette, one the most talented artists to work with the Ubuntu community, I will make a Wiki page when I have some time, but overall it's mostly complete. All trouble applications seems to work as well. Thanks to SiDi for the suggestion of darkening the menu_items and lessening the gradients on the menubar. This proved to be a usability issue over time as the window border was not as pronounced. The menubar is now striped utilising murrine. Please report any bugs / suggestions. The code can be found at: https://code.launchpad.net/~dashua/+junk/Karmic-Themes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 119863 bytes Desc: not available Url : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/attachments/20090419/f9efeb64/attachment.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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