Hi All >> The ubuntu-au community is not lacking structure - it's lacking motivated people. Get out there - do stuff to promote Ubuntu in Australia. If you do enough, you'll become known within the Ubuntu-au community, and the leadership or power (or whatever you want to call it) that you worry about will be shared with you.
This model is fundamentally Undemocratic. While I agree that it is better to be an active member then a complaining member I must shoot down the notion of power being dispersed as a whim. The Community should be appointing it's own members through an elected process. Not having the leadership appoint people on a whim! I ask that if the current model is appointment based that it be refuted and regular elections called. The group should embody the spirit of Ubuntu! Cheers Colin McDermott On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:08 AM, <ubuntu-au-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com> wrote: > Send ubuntu-au mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-au-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-au digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: less talk more action (Michael) > 2. Re: Any Adelaide people on this list? (Callan Jefferson Davies) > 3. Re: less talk more action (Ross Willman) > 4. Re: less talk more action (Scott Evans) > 5. Re: less talk more action (Andrew Gaydon) > 6. Re: less talk more action (Tony "H.G" Candito) > 7. Re: less talk more action (karmic) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:02:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael <keltoi...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: less talk more action > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > <55e85435-5230-4684-8610-25c35b96c...@35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'll get shot down for this I know but I am getting to a stage where I > am beyond caring. > > It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a > situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested > throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are > and would love to know where I can apply them. Asking simple questions > never gets a simple answer, instead as has been pointed out, we are > told to go forth and just do whatever. Sorry but for some of us that > will not work. > > The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found > aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious here > the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some unknown > reason people went charging off to something else. > > As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor > the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight > control. All that has really been asked for is a chance for the > community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing further > to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it. > > Ciao for now. > Michael (k3lt01) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:44:56 +0930 > From: Callan Jefferson Davies <cal...@cruzn.net.au> > Subject: Re: Any Adelaide people on this list? > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <1271164496.1875.5.ca...@brutis> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > Hi. I'm new to this list. Just wondering if there are other members in > > or near Adelaide, interested in meetups? Also, any people at Adelaide > > University? > > > Another Adelaide user over here ..... and yes, interested in meetups / > release parties etc. > > Comments on that ... last time I went to a 'release party' there seemed > to be a few people there that all knew each other, but no > acknowledgement of a newcomer (me) arriving. I had a beer on my own and > left. Perhaps my own fault for not approaching the group... buy hey, > I'll still go to another release party if there is one! > > Cheers > Callan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:15:35 +1000 > From: Ross Willman <rwill...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: less talk more action > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > <s2iea77b2071004130615s75039733vcf34609680d5b...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I challenge anyone who has a problem with the current situation to > clearly define what non-bureaucratic action they would take for > ubuntu-au under a new structure, then answer why they aren't doing > that now. I honestly don't understand how the current setup has > stopped anyone from promoting Ubuntu in Australia. > > The ubuntu-au community is not lacking structure - it's lacking > motivated people. Get out there - do stuff to promote Ubuntu in > Australia. If you do enough, you'll become known within the Ubuntu-au > community, and the leadership or power (or whatever you want to call > it) that you worry about will be shared with you. > > Anyone that is holding back promoting Ubuntu because they aren't happy > with the leadership of Ubuntu-au, isn't worthy of any leadership > themselves. I think that a push for restructure would be looked upon a > lot more fondly if it came from someone who is a driving force in the > community. Has anyone making noise about this actually been in the > community for more than a year? > > Ross > > On 13 April 2010 22:02, Michael <keltoi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'll get shot down for this I know but I am getting to a stage where I > > am beyond caring. > > > > It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a > > situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested > > throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are > > and would love to know where I can apply them. Asking simple questions > > never gets a simple answer, instead as has been pointed out, we are > > told to go forth and just do whatever. Sorry but for some of us that > > will not work. > > > > The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found > > aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious here > > the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some unknown > > reason people went charging off to something else. > > > > As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor > > the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight > > control. All that has really been asked for is a chance for the > > community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing further > > to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it. > > > > Ciao for now. > > Michael (k3lt01) > > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:18:27 +1000 > From: Scott Evans <sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org> > Subject: Re: less talk more action > To: Ross Willman <rwill...@gmail.com> > Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <1271164707.5144.0.ca...@scott-desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 23:15 +1000, Ross Willman wrote: > > Has anyone making noise about this actually been in the > > community for more than a year? > > Umm... yes! > > -- > Scott Evans <sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 836 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/attachments/20100413/550fc91b/attachment-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:30:27 +1000 > From: Andrew Gaydon <gande...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: less talk more action > To: Ross Willman <rwill...@gmail.com> > Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > <l2zcc09675d1004130630v8657a2der12bfabe85e31b...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Umm Yes about 2 years ago. > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Ross Willman <rwill...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I challenge anyone who has a problem with the current situation to > > clearly define what non-bureaucratic action they would take for > > ubuntu-au under a new structure, then answer why they aren't doing > > that now. I honestly don't understand how the current setup has > > stopped anyone from promoting Ubuntu in Australia. > > > > The ubuntu-au community is not lacking structure - it's lacking > > motivated people. Get out there - do stuff to promote Ubuntu in > > Australia. If you do enough, you'll become known within the Ubuntu-au > > community, and the leadership or power (or whatever you want to call > > it) that you worry about will be shared with you. > > > > Anyone that is holding back promoting Ubuntu because they aren't happy > > with the leadership of Ubuntu-au, isn't worthy of any leadership > > themselves. I think that a push for restructure would be looked upon a > > lot more fondly if it came from someone who is a driving force in the > > community. Has anyone making noise about this actually been in the > > community for more than a year? > > > > Ross > > > > On 13 April 2010 22:02, Michael <keltoi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'll get shot down for this I know but I am getting to a stage where I > > > am beyond caring. > > > > > > It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a > > > situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested > > > throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are > > > and would love to know where I can apply them. Asking simple questions > > > never gets a simple answer, instead as has been pointed out, we are > > > told to go forth and just do whatever. Sorry but for some of us that > > > will not work. > > > > > > The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found > > > aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious here > > > the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some unknown > > > reason people went charging off to something else. > > > > > > As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor > > > the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight > > > control. All that has really been asked for is a chance for the > > > community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing further > > > to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it. > > > > > > Ciao for now. > > > Michael (k3lt01) > > > > > > -- > > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/attachments/20100413/06e820b3/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:07:03 +1000 > From: "Tony \"H.G\" Candito" <blindra...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: less talk more action > To: Ross Willman <rwill...@gmail.com> > Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: > <j2w1b588d0c1004130707ke37f8f8chd5bc532908660...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > Has anyone making noise about this actually been in the > > community for more than a year? > > > > > 2006. And I'd wager most of the people you think haven't been around for > that long simply haven't been active as a product of the reasons outlined > prior. > > > > > > > Ross > > > > On 13 April 2010 22:02, Michael <keltoi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'll get shot down for this I know but I am getting to a stage where I > > > am beyond caring. > > > > > > It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a > > > situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested > > > throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are > > > and would love to know where I can apply them. Asking simple questions > > > never gets a simple answer, instead as has been pointed out, we are > > > told to go forth and just do whatever. Sorry but for some of us that > > > will not work. > > > > > > The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found > > > aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious here > > > the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some unknown > > > reason people went charging off to something else. > > > > > > As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor > > > the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight > > > control. All that has really been asked for is a chance for the > > > community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing further > > > to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it. > > > > > > Ciao for now. > > > Michael (k3lt01) > > > > > > -- > > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/attachments/20100414/12d60db5/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:07:50 +1000 > From: karmic <kar...@scentient.com.au> > Subject: Re: less talk more action > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <20100414010750.6a096...@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:02:04 -0700 (PDT) > Michael <keltoi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Respectfully, I'm not bringing you back into the discussion - that > is your choice, but you make some judgemental statements, and raise > some questions. BTW, personally I agree with Dave Hall. > > > It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a > > What 'things' have you found difficult to do within this group? > > > situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested > > throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are > > and would love to know where I can apply them > > What are your talents? > > > The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found > > I'm subscribed to the list so haven't seen any porn come through. > > > aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious > > here the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some > > unknown reason people went charging off to something else. > > I don't think people will understand how to respond to your statement, > myself included, because you have introduced Google from another > thread, and this statement is pretty vague (..'something else'..) > > > As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor > > the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight > > control. > > What control do you want the 'group' to have? You ARE NOT empowered to > speak on behalf of, or to represent the opinion of Canonical or > Ubuntu, and nor is the 'group'. FOSS gives lots of freedoms, but not > even the GPL gives you the freedom to act on the behalf of another > person or entity. > > > All that has really been asked for is a chance for the > > community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing > > So what is happening that you want to vote on? > > > further to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it. > > > > Ciao for now. > > Michael (k3lt01) > > > > rgds > -- > How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed > in a naughty world. Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice" > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > End of ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 22 > ***************************************** >
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