** Description changed: - Bad design of logout in Ubuntu (gnome, kde, etc) leads to at least 2 use - cases with possible data corruption from having to hardly shutdown the - computer (i.e. power off). + Bad design of logout in Ubuntu (gnome, kde, etc) leads to at least DOZEN + use cases with possible data corruption from having to hardly shutdown + the computer (i.e. power off). - Use case 1 - confirmation on power button + Summary: + person with access to power-off hardware button should be allowed to use it to tell computer to shut down gracefully; + Because: + - perhaps he can not use GUI (keyboard driver bug, UPS power lost and not LCD, etc etc) so presenting him with a gui box with confirmation etc is BAD if pressing power button again doesnt work as "Ok, proceed!" + - he can anyway press and hold the button to hard-turn-off the box. But this is bad for filesystems. + + Use case 1) Power goes out, PC is on UPS, monitor is not (common), lights go out. + ***UPS deamon*** was NOT configured (common for home users). You press the power key to turn it off. It does NOT turn off. It displays a nice logout confirmation box, especially if you had another session opened (VT1, or say VT8 another X session etc). You can either hope to login as root, go to console, and type shutdown -h now in darkness, or data corruption in 3 minutes when UPS dies. - Solution: - In KDE: + Or - gfx card died (happened to me due to reported nvidia/xorg bugs), so you can not use GUI and UPS deamon + doesn't know there is a problem. + + Use case 2: + Thunderstorm closes in but you left PC running. + Family member / coworker / etc wants to turn it off, but ooops - need a password to unlock X... + you wait for thunderstorm or hard-power-off again. + Here, also adding a Power Off button to the password query would be nice. + + Use case 3: + GFX and/or keyboard/mouse locked out / do not work (this happens). + + + Common solutions: + In KDE / Gnome - when user presses power button 2nd time in 30 seconds (or, when confirmation box is already visible) then just force logout - when logout (closing all applications etc) takes more then 10 seconds (i.e. some applications showed a box to confirm closing it etc), or when button is pressed again, just kill it In Ubuntu (scripts?) - when power button is pressed 4 times in 30 seconds then shutdown -h now -t 10 - when power button is pressed 5 times in 30 seconds then just kill -9 most applications, and sync - - - Use case 2: - Thunderstorm closes in but you left PC running. - Family member / coworker / etc wants to turn it off, but ooops - need a password to unlock X... - you wait for thunderstorm or hard-power-off again. - - Solutions: - - GNOME: - as there is Leave-A-Note (in GNOME password), add also an Turn Off button. - Leave config option to disable it. - - KDE: as in GNOME - - also, the power-button-click described above (several times) would as - well solve this case, - - - One could say: just use UPS. Ok this helps in use case 1. Not in other cases, not all users with ups have time to set it all up etc etc. - - Simply: - User with access to power button CAN turn off computer always, so lets allow him to do it gracefully, if he insists (pressing power button several times). - Also: this will solve cases like when keyboard dies (I seen it), or gfx card dies (seen it too) and other strange cases.
-- logout box + no way to kill computer = data corruption https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/285141 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
