ok... well now copper works ok...

r...@tough:/etc/network# NetworkManager --no-daemon 2>&1 | tee 
/tmp/nm-serial_cu.log NetworkManager: <info>  starting...                       
                           
NetworkManager: <info>  Found radio killswitch 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_8086_4222_rfkill_3945ABG_wlan                  
                                                     
NetworkManager: <info>  Found radio killswitch 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/iwl_wlan_switch                                    
                                                     
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): new Ethernet device (driver: 'sky2')            
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): exported as 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_0b_97_35_37_2f                              
                                                        
NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): driver supports SSID scans (scan_capa 0x01).   
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): new 802.11 WiFi device (driver: 'iwl3945')     
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): exported as 
/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_18_de_97_10_08                              
                                                       
NetworkManager: <info>  Trying to start the system settings daemon...           
          
NetworkManager: <WARN>  killswitch_getpower_reply(): Error getting killswitch 
power: Method "GetPower" with signature "" on interface 
"org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch" doesn't exist                           
                                                        
.                                                                               
          
NetworkManager: <WARN>  connection_get_settings_cb(): 
connection_get_settings_cb: Invalid connection: 'NMSettingWirelessSecurity' / 
'psk' invalid: 1                                
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): device state change: 1 -> 2                     
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): bringing up device.                             
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): preparing device.                               
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): deactivating device (reason: 2).                
          
NetworkManager: <info>  Unmanaged Device found; state CONNECTED forced. (see 
http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191889)                                          
                       
NetworkManager: <info>  Unmanaged Device found; state CONNECTED forced. (see 
http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191889)                                          
                       
NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): device state change: 1 -> 2                    
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): bringing up device.                            
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): preparing device.                              
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): deactivating device (reason: 2).               
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): device state change: 2 -> 3                    
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): supplicant interface state:  starting -> ready 
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): carrier now ON (device state 2)                 
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): device state change: 2 -> 3                     
          
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) starting connection 'Auto eth0'       
          
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): device state change: 3 -> 4                     
          
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) 
scheduled...      
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) 
started...        
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) 
scheduled...    
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 1 of 5 (Device Prepare) 
complete.         
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) 
starting...     
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): device state change: 4 -> 5                     
          
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) 
successful.     
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) 
scheduled.    
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) 
complete.       
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) 
started...    
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): device state change: 5 -> 7                     
          
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Beginning DHCP transaction.           
          
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.1.1                                  
          
Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium.                                
          
All rights reserved.                                                            
          
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/                              
          

wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
NetworkManager: <info>  dhclient started with pid 10381
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) 
complete.
NetworkManager: <info>  DHCP: device eth0 state changed (null) -> preinit       
     
wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801                                     
     
Listening on LPF/eth0/00:0b:97:35:37:2f                                         
     
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:0b:97:35:37:2f                                         
     
Sending on   Socket/fallback                                                    
     
DHCPREQUEST of 172.25.5.56 on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67                   
     
DHCPACK of 172.25.5.56 from 172.25.5.6                                          
     
bound to 172.25.5.56 -- renewal in 40852 seconds.                               
     
NetworkManager: <info>  DHCP: device eth0 state changed preinit -> reboot       
     
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP Configure Get) 
scheduled...
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP Configure Get) 
started...  
NetworkManager: <info>    address 172.25.5.56                                   
      
NetworkManager: <info>    prefix 24 (255.255.255.0)                             
      
NetworkManager: <info>    gateway 172.25.5.1                                    
      
NetworkManager: <info>    nameserver '172.25.5.1'                               
      
NetworkManager: <info>    nameserver '172.25.5.6'                               
      
NetworkManager: <info>    domain name 'bsqt.homeip.net'                         
      
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) 
scheduled...
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 4 of 5 (IP Configure Get) 
complete.      
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) 
started...  
NetworkManager: <info>  (eth0): device state change: 7 -> 8                     
         
NetworkManager: <info>  Policy set 'Auto eth0' (eth0) as default for routing 
and DNS.    
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) successful, device activated.         
         
NetworkManager: <info>  Activation (eth0) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) 
complete.

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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332407
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