thanks leann....

couple of unfortunatelys

1, installing backports knocked out my wifi even for the the kernel i was 
connecting with (2.6.30-10), the only difference is my network manager is able 
to see available connections AND connect to them, but there is no communication 
between the wifi and browser (default firefox).  firefox doesn't report offline 
but no connections happen, tried several different sites.
under kernel 2.6.31-2 there is no connection at all.  when I do 
sudo modprobe -r -f ath5k
sudo modprobe ath5k
it no longer says device unmanaged, it says device is disabled.  switching the 
wifi hardware switch makes no changes.

2.  I am a truck driver (and most of us truck drivers have laptops and wifi 
only connections, linux needs this to just work to have a shot at truck 
drivers).  My only available connections are wifi.  
The command you asked me to run must have a working connection to use.  I'm 
assuming it would do you no good to run this command under a working wifi 
connection (correct me if I'm wrong here)  Is there any commands that I can run 
while under the not working wifi that could help trouble shoot this and then I 
post the results here as a saved results text file?

As of writing this I am on jaunty livecd.  I am now going to reinstall
karmic alpha2 and NOT install backports to have my working connection
available under karmic.

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