Dear Fred, I feel we're a bit like monkeys at the keyboard on this, and that there's probably an elegant fix in modifying Network Manager itself,-- but familiarizing myself with its innards is not something I have time for.
BTW, I had tried swapping-in an earlier Network Manager, as suggested by some people in the Far East, but no luck with the changes they suggested. There are about 1.5 MM people on dial-up in Canada, suggesting perhaps 10-15 MM people in the U.S., and so it seems myopic not to fix the problem. Another avenue I'm trying in the next few days is to see if I can grab some of the Red Flag Linux utilities, since there is a lot of dial-up there. Best wishes, Richard . On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 00:22 +0000, Fred Fox wrote: > I got Gnome-ppp working in Jaunty (changed froup to dip and permissions > to 660 on /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and chap-secrets), but applications still > would not use the dialup connection. Modifying the .conf file as you > suggested worked although it neutered NetworkManager. (It doesn't know > what happened to it.) I will be testing it in a mixed wired, wireless, > dialup environment. > > Thanks, at least I can do dialup now, and if I need to I can change > .conf back. > > -- > Intrepid Network Manager Lacks Dial-up & Work-Around > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/359725 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in “network-manager” package in Ubuntu: New > > Bug description: > Binary package hint: network-manager > > The lack of dial-up support is a huge handicap for Ubuntu in attracting new > users. Ubuntu should be a natural for millions of dial-up people because of > its lean resource requirements,-- and especially for those who dread tying up > their lines with Vista updates/SPs. While there was grudging dial-up support > in Feisty and Gutsy, the utter lack of it now with Intrepid is preventing > millions of people here in Canada and elsewhere from switching to Ubuntu. > Let's deal with the Intrepid/Ubuntu 8.10 challenges,-- and I'm being positive > here in the fact I'm writing on an Intrepid installation via dial-up on a > Winmodem, through Gnome-PPP, and without having Firefox "work Offline" > issues. While I've done this on multiple machines, the steps to get here asks > too much of many users,-- and therefore I'm urging that the dialup oversight > be fixed, possibly by giving the option of using the earlier NM or by > incorporating the earlier features. > > Work-Arounds for Dial-up with Intrepid > > 1. The lack of support for dial-up is one NM issue, but the other is its > interference with Firefox in causing the "Work Offline" annoyance. Fixes for > the Firefox annoyance range from > (a) entering about:config in the Firefox address line and toggling the last > field of browser.offiine, browser.offline-apps.notify, and network.online to > false, > (b) to the more extreme but powerful one of editing of NetworkManager.conf as: > sudo gedit /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf > and replacing all instances of "allow" with "deny". When in doubt, save > back-up copies of any files you experiment with. My experience is that the > effectiveness of (a) seems to be mobo-specific, while (b) is > brute-force-effective. > > 2. Now, while many dial-up people will simply pack it in on Intrepid, and > either stay with an earlier version or leave Ubuntu shaking their heads, here > are the steps on how to do it for many winmodems: > (a) Check your modem chipset. If it's a Conexant marked with HSF, then you > can either download and purchase a kernel-specific driver from Linuxant, or > hybridize the necessary driver from Linuxant's free version > hsfmodem-7.80.02.03full.tar.gz (for user evaluation at 14.4 kB/s) and the > free Hardy driver hsfmodem-7.68.00.09oem.tar.gz on the Dell Ubuntu driver > site. I've tried the HSF drivers over a range of the corresponding modems and > found them to work well (the only problem I had was with a batch of older > Conexant modems bought on eBay). Driver coverage for other modems is patchy, > and for the cost of a modem, HSF is probably the easiest way to go. If you > want to verify that a modem will work, Linuxant has listings of makes and > chipsets on its website, along with a diagnostic program and instructions. > > Since Dell doesn't yet supply the Intrepid HSF driver, here are the steps for > hybridizing to a full-speed driver: > (i) Download the source Hardy hsfmodem-7.68.00.09oem.tar.gz from Dell and > hsfmodem-7.80.02.03full.tar.gz from Linuxant by Googling the filenames + > company names. Expand the packages and change to the storage location. > (ii) Remove modules/imported from the Linuxant source directory. > sudo rm -r hsfmodem-7.80.02.03full/modules/imported > (iii) Substitute modules/imported from the Dell Hardy driver source directory > to make the hybrid. > sudo cp -r hsfmodem-7.68.00.09oem/modules/imported > hsfmodem-7.80.02.03full/modules/imported > (iv) Change to the Linuxant source and install. > cd hsfmodem-7.80.02.03full > sudo make install > (v) Finally, configure. > sudo hsfconfig > I found it was necessary just to hit enter at the prompts. Then restart. The > installation can be checked with > sudo hsfconfig --info > and the command set (including driver removal) is listed with > sudo hsfconfig --help > > (b) Set up wvdial to update Add/Remove programs: > sudo wvdialconf > sudo gedit /etc/wvdial.conf > Check and edit Username, Password, Phone, and the modem address (typically > Modem=/dev/ttySHSF0 for these modems). > You can now dial and update (and access Firefox) after starting it in > terminal with > sudo wvdial > (c) Add Gnome-PPP from Add/Remove>All available applications. Gnome-PPP will > only run from root without changing permissions. > (d) Gnome-PPP permissions: > First, System>Administration>Users and Groups>Unlock>Manage Groups>Add > Group>dip>properties>tick username. > Then > sudo chown root:dip /usr/sbin/pppd > sudo chmod 4754 /usr/sbin/pppd > sudo chmod 777 /etc/ppp/pap-secrets > sudo chmod 777 /etc/ppp/chap-secrets > sudo chmod 777 /etc/ppp/peers > > With these changes, Intrepid works nicely on dial-up. > > Having recommended earlier Ubuntu versions for dial-up people experiencing > frustration in the MS world, I'd like to be able to do the same for Intrepid. > > Richard > -- Intrepid Network Manager Lacks Dial-up & Work-Around https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/359725 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
