You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that......
I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type........ Maybe Windows is the best system............... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Martin Wildam <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:37, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) > <rand...@executiv.es> wrote: > > Did you bother to check which systems are certified first? > > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ > > > > Think of your experiences in the Windows world. You likely have used > > hardware that is stickered "Windows Ready", "Works with Windows" etc. > > > > The Ubuntu world is no different, and Ubuntu does NOT work on > > everything. Please reset expectations accordingly. > > Although Ubuntu runs on a lot of hardware that is not listed there and > no certification has been done, people should simply prefer the > hardware that is certified or at least known to work. > > Simply becauce: Manufacturer's first aim is to work with Windows > because that is the majority of people and this simply is what gets > preinstalled in the vast majority of cases when shipping the thingy. > > Some manufacturers have looked beond the the rim of the plate and see > that the world around M$ is wide and large and take this into > consideration, like Dell or Lenovo for example. > > If people buying stuff do not explicitely prefer the more compatible > hardware manufacturers also will not change their habits. > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:59, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > > So 30mins to install Ubuntu against 1hr30 to install Windows. > > > > Did the Windows system then need upgrades or additional software? After > the > > first round of updates and reboot were all the drivers, codecs and new > programs > > all up-to-date and fully patched? > > Yesterday I tried to install an MS Office plugin from M$. Result: Half > an hour of applying necessary updates including upgrading to IE8 (and > I have no plain idea why IE8 needed in that case)... - and the machine > had applied all updates before... > > > > Installing a system you know well (Windows), with the standard > preparation you > > do before an install to that particular set of hardware does not really > compare > > against installing a system you have no experience with and have not > prepared > > for in advance. > > Yeah, people used Windows many, many years and then they expect to do > the transition in a day. Although I think that Ubuntu can be learned > quite quickly (just to think of the plenty of forums and documentation > available - or the very helpful community), my experience is that a > standard low experienced home user needs approx 2 weeks to get > familiar enough to be productive - but this is an awesome short time! > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 21:14, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > > I have expertise in both Windows and Linux. Windows takes longer. > > Mainly it is the massive amount of reboots between updates and drivers. > > Also, the install is far to interactive, not set it and forget it. > > If you look at the installation of Windows 2008 R2 Server for example, > installation of Windows is really not very interactive - it neither > asks for a host name! - It generates an automatic one that you can > change later. So even less interaction than for an Ubuntu > installation. > > That said, afterwards plenty of clicks needed to get only in the near > of being productive - not to tell that Windows OS after installation > is naked as a jaybird! Even the text editor that comes with it is ... > - well the only word I have for it is "impertinence". > > > > As > > an aside, the only programming language I know is Perl, and I haven't > > really used in in years. > > When I started with Linux all programming languages I knew were > Windows-only. So really, there is no need to know a programming > language for using Linux. That I felt strange using an OS I can't > program is natural after having always been capable of programming the > PCs I was working on before. - Well, I have fixed that bug in the > meantime. ;-) > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 21:14, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > > You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no > > experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience. That > > is the bug... Unreasonable expectations. And the thought that > > "Windows" is "Computer" and if you know "Windows" you know "computers." > > Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a > > number of accounting specific systems. Now if you give the same test to > > your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier. > > Full ACK! > > But: I agree that anyway it must get better, because there are plenty > of people who care a sh* about the OS - their focus is completely > different and they don't want to bother. > > But, that said, those people must be illuminated that: Even if they > want to just pull coffee from the coffee machine or if they "just" > want to drive a car, some knowledge of the thing you are using is > needed to use it (efficiently). In general for every thing (be it > technical or non-technical) there are some basics (knowledge, > experience, training) needed to use something - and more knowledge, > experience and training is needed to use something really efficient - > or - to help yourself in case of a problem. - This applies for > computers as well as for cars, giving presentations or even just your > daily habits. > > And then, when people want to improve their efficiency, then it comes > to the very special strength of Linux: There are plenty of different > desktop environments or just window managers, plenty of look and > feels, desktop elements like Docky (and the like - plenty of options > available just there), look & feel, different options for writing > office documents and and and... - According to your needs and focus! > Remind > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:25, Setve Gentilly <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> > wrote: > > Well it still comes down to not having drivers for stuff. > > Yes. > > > > Thank you guys for your time, but when Ubuntu is more compatible I will > have > > another look at it. > > No, you missed the point: The hardware manufacturers sold the thingy > to you. If you need to use Windows on that thingy because you can't > use Linux - they don't care! - They only will care when nobody is > buying their stuff because it is not Linux compatible! So YOU NEED TO > CHANGE FIRST! Don't buy that crappy hardware! > > I tell everybody asking me for consulting which hardware to buy that > they should look for a Linux compatible hardware, even if they don't > plan to use Linux (now). Situation could be different in a year, so > they should not lock themselves out from trying something new later. - > Guess what: The last time I said that resulted in 2 weeks later > switching to Ubuntu after the user destroyed the Windows 7 preinstall > within a week. > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:41, »John« <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > > I don't mean to be rude; I just want the message to be perfectly clear > > because we've been through this shit for like million times already and > > I'm simply getting sick and tired of hearing the same stupid whining > > over and over again. Bad hardware support is always caused by stupid > > hardware manufacturers and not the operating system in question, because > > someone needs to write the damn drivers! > > You nailed it! > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 00:10, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) > <rand...@executiv.es> wrote: > > We should instead be aiming to teach people to be creators and > > contributors, so their information access tools remain robust and enable > > any one to get to any and all information they need to educate > > themselves. > > For the very interested user, yes - but many just have different > focus. E.g. a non-technical book author just wants to write his books > and do conversation with readers and publishers and typically does not > want bother with the OS. So most people are not going to read a bulk > of documentation. Of course, for the interested user who wants to get > more out of his/her PC, documentation should be at hand quickly and > easy to understand. > > -- > Martin Wildam > > http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam > > -- > Microsoft has a majority market share > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in Club Distro: Confirmed > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid > Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid > Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid > Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress > Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress > Status in Tabuntu: Invalid > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid > Status in Tv-Player: New > Status in Ubuntu: In Progress > Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid > Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid > Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed > Status in openSUSE: In Progress > Status in Tilix Linux: New > > Bug description: > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. > > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, > restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and > limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, > globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > > What happens: > 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software > pre-installed. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe > > -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs