ok, in the script /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh I found a controlling variable 
called 'loop' which turns off plymouth use when set to 'y'
set this variable in /etc/default/rcS and will check its effect on nexxt reboot.

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Title:
  Boot scripts hang in plymouth --ping (was : console-setup installation
  hangs)

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