aaahh ok I see what is meant by "in addition to any included installed
backends"

I have changed it back

I don't have a /var/log/secure but i have /var/log/auth.log

This is just trying login from tty2

Jan 12 15:41:00 vut-precise01 login[781]: pam_krb5(login:auth): authentication 
failure; logname=jsharp_sa uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty2 ruser= rhost=
Jan 12 15:41:00 vut-precise01 login[781]: pam_unix(login:auth): authentication 
failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty2 ruser= rhost=  user=jsharp_sa
Jan 12 15:41:01 vut-precise01 login[781]: pam_sss(login:auth): authentication 
failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty2 ruser= rhost= user=jsharp_sa
Jan 12 15:41:01 vut-precise01 login[781]: pam_sss(login:auth): received for 
user jsharp_sa: 4 (System error)
Jan 12 15:41:04 vut-precise01 login[781]: FAILED LOGIN (1) on '/dev/tty2' FOR 
'jsharp_sa', Authentication failure

kinit results in an error that simply says 'generic preauthentication
failure while getting initial credentials' which is leading me to
believe its AD that returning a different value

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