Ok, so I wrote 0's to /dev/sda/ and then rebooted into lubuntu test iso
(on an usb) and told it to erase & install to /dev/sdb.  Just nearing
completion, I get popup: "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda" with text
"Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error." and
then lubuntu presented me with recourse to select other drive to install
bootloader to, so I tried sdb, but then get same popup for sdb "Unable
to install GRUB in /dev/sdb" with text "Executing 'grub-install
/dev/sdb' failed. This is a fatal error."  I've attached the syslog.

So I think there is definately a bug with installing any ubuntu into sdb
when there is a blank partition table on sda.  Can you correctly
categorize this bug and forward to appropriate people?  Let me know if
you want me to do any more tests.

** Attachment added: 
"install_lubuntu_to_sdb_with_blank_sda_fail_install_grub_to_sda_and_presented_recourse_install_grub_to_sdb_failed_also_syslog.txt"
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1414124/+attachment/4304997/+files/install_lubuntu_to_sdb_with_blank_sda_fail_install_grub_to_sda_and_presented_recourse_install_grub_to_sdb_failed_also_syslog.txt

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