On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Martin Pitt <martin.p...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > However, if there isn't a local seed, then we must search again *once* > networking is up. > > Fair enough, but you can then of course not use that unit to configure > the network. Of course we can. We need to cycle the network though. > But this "if there isn't a local seed" isn't something you > can express as a static condition, hence my thought that it might be > better if c-i calls s-n-wait-online if and only if it's necessary. But > YMMV. > Right, though it's not clear to me that we can express this in unit terms. It may have to be done internally; That is, it's possible that in cloud-init "net" mode we need to block ourselves, until networking is-up. > > > > This works just fine with 'networking.service' > > This did/does not really work "fine" IMHO -- all of our cloud images > hang for a long time at boot unless you give them a local data source or > disable cloud-init. This is by-design. cloud-init is *interposing* itself on purpose. > It also imposes the restriction that you must be > online during boot, which is fine for a cloud environment, but rather > unfriendly for other scenarios. > No, you need provide a datasource, or indicate (via boot params) that you're not interested in cloud-init running. It's certainly true that if someone just qemu-system-x86 -hda cloud.img that it's going to hang. But folks are explicitly booting a *cloud* image without a cloud. We handle this fine with uvt-kvm which provides a nocloud-net seed when booting. > > due to the "atomic" nature of ifup where once the oneshot service > runs, we can assume that networking is up. However, networkd runs and > asynchronously brings up networking; which is fine but we now no longer > have a clear checkpoint at which cloud-init can run with networking up > but before. > > Again -- s-n-wait-online.service is exactly the networkd counterpart of > networking.service for ifupdown, that gives you the "network is fully > configured" synchronization point. The issue is not that it doesn't > exist, but that I think that it's not a good thing to depend on either > one. > It is, but it's a separate unit "networking" == "networkd" + "networkd-wait-online" However, netplan generator only emits the "systemd-networkd" target wants, so if we use After=systemd-networkd-wait-online; that's never run since nothing wants it. If we add it explicitly, then it runs even when networkd doesn't > > > we really want something like > > After=networking|networkd-wait-online > > which handles determining if networkd was supposed to run or not > > That already exists, it's network-online.target -- whatever "implements" > it (ifupdown, networkd, NM) will hook itself into this target. Nothing > more, nothing less, so if cloud-init just wants to wait until it's > online, then just make it Requires/After=network-online.target instead > of Before= it. (But again -- this is a very strong dependency which is > very inconvenient anywhere but cloud environments with essentially one > virtual ethernet card). > It may be that network-online.target is the right place. Scott had some reason for not using that explicitly before; I expect some details from him. It's no more inconvenient than cloud-init has ever been for users not providing a data-source, or booting with cloud-init disabled. > > BTW, I'm not sure if it came across -- if you play around with this, > please drop systemd-networkd.service's After=dbus.service; that will get > rid of the worst dependency cycles, and it's something which we can do > in Xenial rather easily (not so easy for devel, that's the part we need > to discuss with upstream or decide if we care enough about this feature, > but eventually I figure we want to get rid of it either way). > I did play with it, but the networkd in xenial blocks for some non-trivial amount of time (10s of seconds) if dbus.service is not up. > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1636912 > > Title: > systemd-networkd runs too late for cloud-init.service (net) > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/systemd/+bug/1636912/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1636912 Title: systemd-networkd runs too late for cloud-init.service (net) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/systemd/+bug/1636912/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs