** Description changed: - Xfce stores it's idea of the system default font, monospace font, and - Gtk theme, icon theme etc into Xfconf: + tl;dr The part of this bug which applies specifically to Xubuntu is part + 2. below. The gsettings.override should match the xfconf default, ie by + adding something like: + + [org.gnome.desktop.interface] + font-name='Noto Sans 9' + monospace-font-name='Monospace 10' + + + Xfce stores it's idea of the system default font, monospace font, and Gtk theme, icon theme etc into Xfconf: /xsettings/Gtk/FontName /xsettings/GtkMonospaceFontName /xsettings/Gtk/ThemeName /xsettings/Gtk/IconThemeName GNOME stores it's idea of these settings in gsettings keys: /org/gnome/desktop/interface/gtk-font-name /org/gnome/desktop/interface/monospace-font-name /org/gnome/desktop/interface/theme-name /org/gnome/desktop/interface/icon-theme When a Gtk+3 application is started, the desktop environment is responsible for transfering these settings to Gtk+3 using xsettings. You can see this happening by running: GDK_DEBUG=settings <gtk program> There are several problems here: 1. The apps. Gtk+3 has no concept of an xsetting for monospace font name. All Gtk+3 software which supports this concept finds the default by looking directly at the GNOME gsettings key. Including xfce4-terminal. This means none of that software pays any attention to Xfce's default. Including xfce4-terminal. In addition, some apps seem to directly query gsettings to find the proportional font too, and some will even mix up xsettings and gsettings. An example of this is pidgin, where all bold text uses the font defined in gsettings, and all non-bold text uses the font defined in xsettings. 2. The distro defaults. xubuntu-default-settings supplies default values for the distribution. It sets some of the GNOME gsettings keys to appropriate default values. For example it sets theme-name to Greybird and icon-theme to elementary- xfce. However it does not set defaults for the fonts. Proportional font defaults to Cantrell 11 and monospace is Monospace 11. 2. The settings tool. Xfce appearance setting sets the Xfconf keys of course. But it does not touch any of GNOME's gsettings keys. So if you change your theme for example, the GNOME gsettings key will remain at the default set by xubuntu-default-settings ie Greybird. The setting is now wrong for both Xfce and GNOME. Unfortunately the only correct fix for this is to persuade Gtk developers to adopt an xsetting for the monospace font, and anything else that is missing. This is extremely unlikely to happen as they are trying to remove as many cross-desktop features as possible. Also Gtk+3 is in maintenance mode so it wouldn't be available until we port Xfce to Gtk+4 at the earliest. The only other alternative that will work is to make Xfce appearance settings capable of writing to gsettings, and mirroring all the appearance settings there. This is a horrible solution because those settings are supposed to be private to GNOME, and because appearance settings will need two different settings backends. The one thing we CAN do is patch all Xfce apps to use Xfconf to read this setting. All GNOME apps and cross-desktop apps like Terminator will continue to use the wrong fonts unless the user install dconf-editor or gnome-tweak. Screenshot attached. Desktop is Xfce. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 18.04 Package: terminator 1.91-1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.15.0-20.21-generic 4.15.17 Uname: Linux 4.15.0-20-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.9-0ubuntu7 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: XFCE Date: Tue May 8 00:52:18 2018 InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-05-07 (0 days ago) InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Release amd64 (20180426) PackageArchitecture: all SourcePackage: terminator UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
** Description changed: tl;dr The part of this bug which applies specifically to Xubuntu is part 2. below. The gsettings.override should match the xfconf default, ie by adding something like: [org.gnome.desktop.interface] font-name='Noto Sans 9' monospace-font-name='Monospace 10' + --- - Xfce stores it's idea of the system default font, monospace font, and Gtk theme, icon theme etc into Xfconf: + Xfce stores it's idea of the system default font, monospace font, and + Gtk theme, icon theme etc into Xfconf: /xsettings/Gtk/FontName /xsettings/GtkMonospaceFontName /xsettings/Gtk/ThemeName /xsettings/Gtk/IconThemeName GNOME stores it's idea of these settings in gsettings keys: /org/gnome/desktop/interface/gtk-font-name /org/gnome/desktop/interface/monospace-font-name /org/gnome/desktop/interface/theme-name /org/gnome/desktop/interface/icon-theme When a Gtk+3 application is started, the desktop environment is responsible for transfering these settings to Gtk+3 using xsettings. You can see this happening by running: GDK_DEBUG=settings <gtk program> There are several problems here: 1. The apps. Gtk+3 has no concept of an xsetting for monospace font name. All Gtk+3 software which supports this concept finds the default by looking directly at the GNOME gsettings key. Including xfce4-terminal. This means none of that software pays any attention to Xfce's default. Including xfce4-terminal. In addition, some apps seem to directly query gsettings to find the proportional font too, and some will even mix up xsettings and gsettings. An example of this is pidgin, where all bold text uses the font defined in gsettings, and all non-bold text uses the font defined in xsettings. 2. The distro defaults. xubuntu-default-settings supplies default values for the distribution. It sets some of the GNOME gsettings keys to appropriate default values. For example it sets theme-name to Greybird and icon-theme to elementary- xfce. However it does not set defaults for the fonts. Proportional font defaults to Cantrell 11 and monospace is Monospace 11. 2. The settings tool. Xfce appearance setting sets the Xfconf keys of course. But it does not touch any of GNOME's gsettings keys. So if you change your theme for example, the GNOME gsettings key will remain at the default set by xubuntu-default-settings ie Greybird. The setting is now wrong for both Xfce and GNOME. Unfortunately the only correct fix for this is to persuade Gtk developers to adopt an xsetting for the monospace font, and anything else that is missing. This is extremely unlikely to happen as they are trying to remove as many cross-desktop features as possible. Also Gtk+3 is in maintenance mode so it wouldn't be available until we port Xfce to Gtk+4 at the earliest. The only other alternative that will work is to make Xfce appearance settings capable of writing to gsettings, and mirroring all the appearance settings there. This is a horrible solution because those settings are supposed to be private to GNOME, and because appearance settings will need two different settings backends. The one thing we CAN do is patch all Xfce apps to use Xfconf to read this setting. All GNOME apps and cross-desktop apps like Terminator will continue to use the wrong fonts unless the user install dconf-editor or gnome-tweak. Screenshot attached. Desktop is Xfce. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 18.04 Package: terminator 1.91-1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.15.0-20.21-generic 4.15.17 Uname: Linux 4.15.0-20-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.9-0ubuntu7 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: XFCE Date: Tue May 8 00:52:18 2018 InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-05-07 (0 days ago) InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Release amd64 (20180426) PackageArchitecture: all SourcePackage: terminator UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install) ** Description changed: tl;dr The part of this bug which applies specifically to Xubuntu is part 2. below. The gsettings.override should match the xfconf default, ie by adding something like: [org.gnome.desktop.interface] font-name='Noto Sans 9' monospace-font-name='Monospace 10' + + + There will still be a mismatch if the user changes their font setting, but at least the defaults would match. Fixing the rest would require cooperation from GNOME which is unlikely to happen since all this code is deprecated under Wayland. --- Xfce stores it's idea of the system default font, monospace font, and Gtk theme, icon theme etc into Xfconf: /xsettings/Gtk/FontName /xsettings/GtkMonospaceFontName /xsettings/Gtk/ThemeName /xsettings/Gtk/IconThemeName GNOME stores it's idea of these settings in gsettings keys: /org/gnome/desktop/interface/gtk-font-name /org/gnome/desktop/interface/monospace-font-name /org/gnome/desktop/interface/theme-name /org/gnome/desktop/interface/icon-theme When a Gtk+3 application is started, the desktop environment is responsible for transfering these settings to Gtk+3 using xsettings. You can see this happening by running: GDK_DEBUG=settings <gtk program> There are several problems here: 1. The apps. Gtk+3 has no concept of an xsetting for monospace font name. All Gtk+3 software which supports this concept finds the default by looking directly at the GNOME gsettings key. Including xfce4-terminal. This means none of that software pays any attention to Xfce's default. Including xfce4-terminal. In addition, some apps seem to directly query gsettings to find the proportional font too, and some will even mix up xsettings and gsettings. An example of this is pidgin, where all bold text uses the font defined in gsettings, and all non-bold text uses the font defined in xsettings. 2. The distro defaults. xubuntu-default-settings supplies default values for the distribution. It sets some of the GNOME gsettings keys to appropriate default values. For example it sets theme-name to Greybird and icon-theme to elementary- xfce. However it does not set defaults for the fonts. Proportional font defaults to Cantrell 11 and monospace is Monospace 11. 2. The settings tool. Xfce appearance setting sets the Xfconf keys of course. But it does not touch any of GNOME's gsettings keys. So if you change your theme for example, the GNOME gsettings key will remain at the default set by xubuntu-default-settings ie Greybird. The setting is now wrong for both Xfce and GNOME. Unfortunately the only correct fix for this is to persuade Gtk developers to adopt an xsetting for the monospace font, and anything else that is missing. This is extremely unlikely to happen as they are trying to remove as many cross-desktop features as possible. Also Gtk+3 is in maintenance mode so it wouldn't be available until we port Xfce to Gtk+4 at the earliest. The only other alternative that will work is to make Xfce appearance settings capable of writing to gsettings, and mirroring all the appearance settings there. This is a horrible solution because those settings are supposed to be private to GNOME, and because appearance settings will need two different settings backends. The one thing we CAN do is patch all Xfce apps to use Xfconf to read this setting. All GNOME apps and cross-desktop apps like Terminator will continue to use the wrong fonts unless the user install dconf-editor or gnome-tweak. Screenshot attached. Desktop is Xfce. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 18.04 Package: terminator 1.91-1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.15.0-20.21-generic 4.15.17 Uname: Linux 4.15.0-20-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.20.9-0ubuntu7 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: XFCE Date: Tue May 8 00:52:18 2018 InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-05-07 (0 days ago) InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Release amd64 (20180426) PackageArchitecture: all SourcePackage: terminator UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1769774 Title: Xfce doesn't set GNOME/Gtk3 dconf keys for theme and font To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/terminator/+bug/1769774/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
