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On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:00 PM, <ubuntu-desktop-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com>wrote: > Send ubuntu-desktop mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-desktop-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-desktop-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-desktop digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Default Browser Follow-up (Jason Warner) > 2. cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No > such file or directory (Kip Warner) > 3. Re: Default Browser Follow-up (Benjamin Kerensa) > 4. Re: cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: > No such file or directory (Tim) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:23:02 -0700 > From: Jason Warner <jason.war...@canonical.com> > To: ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Default Browser Follow-up > Message-ID: > <CAMVRh= > qpybedtosusxd3ekvjni5db5r4fdw5suuahh10mvw...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi All - > > Here's the latest follow-up on the default browser for 13.10 discussion. > > Some great points were raised about the historic pattern of updates around > Chromium. > > First, to get the formalities out the way, Firefox remains the default for > 13.10. > > Second, I'd like to talk about the Chromium issues raised. It was rightly > pointed out that there have been issues keeping up with Chromium changes. > The big issue was with Web Apps integration and some changing APIs. Since > we've introduced Web Apps changes like this have always caused us some > grief. Web Apps have always been an interim step until we were able to get > a more self contained web apps container. That work is planned for 13.10 > and progressing well[1]. This should be done for 13.10 and very much > refined for 14.04. > > Lastly, I do want to consider Chromium by default for 14.04 once the above > is no longer an issue. I sincerely believe Chromium is the better > experience for general users and should be strongly considered for our next > LTS. Our next vUDS is August 27th-29th. I don't feel a need to have another > session on it, this mailing list should suffice. To that end, feel free to > continue this discussion and raise more thoughts. > > Thanks everyone, > Jason > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jason Warner <jason.war...@canonical.com > >wrote: > > > Hi All - > > > > Just about a month ago we had our second ever vUDS and one of the topics > > was a possible switch to Chromium as the default browser[1]. > > > > As promised, here is the follow-up email to the mailing list. > > > > In the past few weeks I've seen quite a few articles and comments on the > > possible switch, and in light of those I'd like to focus this discussion > a > > few ways. > > > > 1. This is NOT about which browser is better. > > 2. This is NOT about which browser has more features or X, Y or Z > feature. > > 3. Openness and freedom are still part of our core values. However I'd > > rather not turn this thread into a "who is more open/free" debate. > > > > What is important, and ultimately should be the deciding factor, is the > > common end user experience. Which browser, in the common case, will be > the > > best for the general end user? Things I consider relevant to this > > discussion are quality/stability/robustness, familiarity, ease of use, > and > > overall user experience. > > > > The secondary case to consider is web developers. I firmly believe that > > web developers would use both browsers on a regular basis, though do they > > generally prefer one browser to another? I don't consider this case to > be a > > deciding factor, but rather could push one over the top if there isn't a > > clear front runner. > > > > I stated in the original vUDS session that I was leaning towards a switch > > to Chromium. Several weeks later and I'm still leaning towards Chromium. > > I'm looking for feedback either way based on the outline above. > > > > I'd like to reiterate one point: Neither browser is going away. If > > Chromium is the default, Firefox will continue to be available to those > > choosing Firefox. Vise versa for Chromium. > > > > Thanks everyone, > > Jason > > > > [1] - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XeM75ukJwYg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/attachments/20130812/4e2bad28/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:13:41 -0700 > From: Kip Warner <k...@thevertigo.com> > To: ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > Cc: robert.anc...@canonical.com > Subject: cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No > such file or directory > Message-ID: <1376338421.3411.12.camel@rommel> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey list, > > My question is specific to the gnome3-team, but I see that they've > moved their list here. > > Ever since upgrading my libpango to the latest on the aforementioned's > GNOME3 PPA, I have had issues every time update-initramfs is run to > rebuild the system's initial ramdisk. I am running Xubuntu 13.04 > (amd64). Aptitude reports the following when the appropriate package > hook is executed: > > update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated) > Processing triggers for libc-bin ... > ldconfig deferred processing now taking place > Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic > cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No such > file or directory > cp: cannot stat ?/modules/pango-basic-fc.so?: No such file or > directory > E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth failed with return 1. > update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic > with 1. > dpkg: error processing initramfs-tools (--configure): > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit > status 1 > No apport report written because MaxReports has already been > reached > Errors were encountered while processing: > initramfs-tools > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > I'm guessing one of the pango packages may be missing some files needed > to generate the ramdisk. Granted, the PPA is a use at your own risk, > but this is something that was probably unintentional and can easily be > patched. Otherwise, this could be dangerous if it leaves the user in an > unbootable state. > > -- > Kip Warner -- Software Engineer > OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred > http://www.thevertigo.com > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 198 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/attachments/20130812/63de0e4d/attachment-0001.pgp > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:53:44 -0700 > From: Benjamin Kerensa <bkere...@ubuntu.com> > Cc: ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Default Browser Follow-up > Message-ID: > <CAGOdq5moFJSWW7YxeZE0HpaChyPeaRT+Ks= > nd709atgqzqs...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jason Warner > <jason.war...@canonical.com> wrote: > > Hi All - > > > > Here's the latest follow-up on the default browser for 13.10 discussion. > > > > Some great points were raised about the historic pattern of updates > around > > Chromium. > > > > First, to get the formalities out the way, Firefox remains the default > for > > 13.10. > > > > Second, I'd like to talk about the Chromium issues raised. It was rightly > > pointed out that there have been issues keeping up with Chromium changes. > > The big issue was with Web Apps integration and some changing APIs. Since > > we've introduced Web Apps changes like this have always caused us some > > grief. Web Apps have always been an interim step until we were able to > get a > > more self contained web apps container. That work is planned for 13.10 > and > > progressing well[1]. This should be done for 13.10 and very much refined > for > > 14.04. > > > > Lastly, I do want to consider Chromium by default for 14.04 once the > above > > is no longer an issue. I sincerely believe Chromium is the better > experience > > for general users and should be strongly considered for our next LTS. > > You have not provided any criteria as to why Chromium would provide a > better experience for general users. I think its important to note > that so far there has been more opposition by developers and users to > making Chromium the default. > > Without out any evidence of a greater experience I think it would be a > poor decision to flip default on millions of users. > > If you could provide some solid technical justifications that motivate > this discussion having been started it might be helpful in understand > why such a change is proposed. If there is something lacking in > Firefox then perhaps a dialogue can be started upstream and I would be > happy to help guide such a discussion. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:07:47 +1000 > From: Tim <dark...@fastmail.fm> > To: ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: > No such file or directory > Message-ID: <52096ac3.8090...@fastmail.fm> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hi Kip, > On 13/08/13 06:13, Kip Warner wrote: > > Hey list, > > > > My question is specific to the gnome3-team, but I see that they've > > moved their list here. > ubuntu-gn...@lists.ubuntu.com would be the most appropriate list for > gnome3-team ppa questions. > > > > Ever since upgrading my libpango to the latest on the aforementioned's > > GNOME3 PPA, I have had issues every time update-initramfs is run to > > rebuild the system's initial ramdisk. I am running Xubuntu 13.04 > > (amd64). Aptitude reports the following when the appropriate package > > hook is executed: > > > > update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated) > > Processing triggers for libc-bin ... > > ldconfig deferred processing now taking place > > Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... > > update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic > > cp: cannot stat ?/module-files.d/libpango1.0-0.modules?: No such > file or directory > > cp: cannot stat ?/modules/pango-basic-fc.so?: No such file or > directory > > E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth failed with return > 1. > > update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-27-generic > with 1. > > dpkg: error processing initramfs-tools (--configure): > > subprocess installed post-installation script returned error > exit status 1 > > No apport report written because MaxReports has already been > reached > > Errors were encountered while processing: > > initramfs-tools > > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > > > > I'm guessing one of the pango packages may be missing some files needed > > to generate the ramdisk. Granted, the PPA is a use at your own risk, > > but this is something that was probably unintentional and can easily be > > patched. Otherwise, this could be dangerous if it leaves the user in an > > unbootable state. > > > > > Please file a bug using `ubuntu-bug libpango1.0-0`. (This will work for > the gnome-team ppa's only) > The gnome3 PPA should be pretty stable, gnome3-staging on the other hand > is definitely use at your own risk! > > Tim > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > > > End of ubuntu-desktop Digest, Vol 98, Issue 1 > ********************************************* >
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