On 09/06/08 at 16:02 +0200, Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: > Matthew Nuzum pisze: >> On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Przemysław Kulczycki >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> Now let's get to the point. >>>>> One of the often accusations against Ubuntu is that it only takes from >>>>> other >>>>> projects (Debian, Red Hat, Novell/Suse...) and doesn't give back >>>>> anything. >>>>> Ubuntu should make it more visible for others to see what does it >>>>> contribute >>>>> to upstream/floss community. >>> Good. I hope something will be done about it ASAP. >>> Reading all those comments about Ubuntu not contributing anything is really >>> irritating. >>> >> >> Let's start a wiki page at: >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Content/UbuntuContributions >> >> As the content on this page matures I'll sync it over to the main >> ubuntu website.
I haven't commented earlier on this page, but there are several points that haven't been raised yet, and need to be raised. I don't think that people are complaining about "Ubuntu" not giving back. Ubuntu is a community, and cannot really "give back" or "contribute" itself. Members of the community can "contribute" or "give back", but they are individuals. If I do something related to Ubuntu, even with my dusty MOTU hat on, I don't want it to be used by a marketing campaign. It's "Lucas Nussbaum did [...]", or "Ubuntu developer Lucas Nussbaum did [...]", not "Ubuntu did [...]". But I don't think that it's about Ubuntu. The real issue is about Canonical, when you compare Canonical with Novell and Red Hat (the companies, not the distros). It's not about people doing stuff during their free time, it's about people being paid by Canonical to work on things that benefit more than just the Ubuntu distribution. In that page, please make a clear distinction between Canonical and Ubuntu. if volunteer Ubuntu developers have enough free time to also contribute to other projects, that's just cool. If Canonical employees are allowed to contribute to other projects during their work time, that's totally different, and a lot more cool. Specific examples of problems I see with the page: # The dpkg Breaks field was implemented by Ian Jackson for Ubuntu. ==> The dpkg Breaks field was implemented by Canonical employee Ian Jackson. Drop all the "Ubuntu developed", clarify whether it was developed by a Canonical employee, or by community members (give their name if it's the case. But I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning if it was done by a community member). "Canonical employs some Gnome developers (...)" Who are they? List them! Are they allowed to work on GNOME directly during their work time? If not, it has about as much value as "IBM employs some trainspotters". Also, the page is not very well organized. Maybe it could be reorganized like: 1) Work done by Canonical employees that is also used by other distributions/projects (if it's not used yet, don't mention it) 2) Canonical employees paid to work on upstream projects, at least part-time. 3) Other contributions: hosting of servers from other projects in the Canonical DC, sponsoring of events, organization of conferences like FOSSCAMP, etc. I think that the page is a good idea, as I'm sure that Canonical is doing more than many people realize. -- | Lucas Nussbaum | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F |
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