2009/6/21 Mackenzie Morgan <maco...@gmail.com> > > If you're just viewing them, we've already got that. It's called Eye of GNOME > (or "eog"), and it's been in Ubuntu for a good long time. >
GIve me a photo collection manager that can handle movies and I'll switch from dual booting Mac for iPhoto until then i'll just hide ;-) > > They were in my Japanese class going "ooooh" at the linking between notes ;) > Most of my computer science classmates don't know what LaTeX is / how to use > it anyway (sad, yeah...). > To be fair I've only used Tomboy notes to leave them out for someone else if I want them to do something on my computer. Apart from that LaTeX all the way. In my engineering & math department there are 4 professors and as far as I know I'm the only undergrad using LaTeX, so sad, true. But I'm still struggling to create random figures and approximate figures during the class any point to a good app would be welcome. And as far as notes go..... Latex or Emacs Org mode all the way. Back to the topic though note-taking apps on Linux are great (look well, perform well, give Linux edge over other OS at default install). But they do remind me a think that people are playing around with for a while and then give up to do "real" work. So I'm not fast at all if is in the Default Install it certainly doesn't make it worse. An analogy can be made with "widgets" and "dashboards" out there. They come default on Mac, Vista, KDE (plasma) but I think KDE are the only once who did right by making your actual dashboard (some what a bit in your face) and for the first time I actually started using it for widgets and stuff (I know that KDE has overlay dashboard as well). So who is up for keeping / creating a welcome note in Tomboy and making it open for the live cd users? If this has been already done than sure there would be a lot of compatability issues to switch from one to another implementation. 99% existing users that will upgrade will stay with their apps as they are, others who do clean install make dpkg-list backup anyway to install everything afresh. And the new users will not notice a difference if there is / isn't / is different note-taking app, even if they have tried Ubuntu before (because loads of things do change between the releases, I can say for sure more people notice theme changes over app changes). And the whole mono thing..... can we stop being so brown about it. Qt had licensing issues in the past, Linux kernel as ship by ubuntu has binary blobs, Flash and Codecs are still not free and while mono in your opinion is not gNewSense-free it is still much better than binary blobs, flash and codecs. This issues never stopped us or Debian not ship KDE, Qt, Linux or wrap-packages for flash, or un-official official repos with codes (medibuntu & debian non-free). From Human point of view as long as it is apt-getable it's fine. From development point of view developers are trying to meet the demand of the users. And one point Gnome got a note taking app (new whiz-bang feature) so we included it in the default install and it works well. Now fixing something that ain't broke is most likely gonna end up with new bugs. So far I didn't see how switching to Gnote will make Ubuntu _Better_ Isolating issue to Tomboy<->Gnote does not have any affect on the Mono being or not being there (mono is currently ubuntu-desktop dependency) If on the other hand mono dependency of ubuntu-desktop is being discussed than it is completely different story and it will be very hard to do it for Karmic or Karmic+1 because it is one of the Gnome's dependencies. Just as we strive to have small delta with Debian it makes a lot of sence to have small delta with Gnome. They are one of our big upstreams. Changing default note-taking app is just too small to justify it (or one can argue too small to be noticeble) removing a core dependency IMHO is HUGE. It's hard enough to get a new dependency in Gnome and then it is assumed to be there for a long time. Look how hard their working at depreciating / removing obsolete dependencies in Gnome 3. It is very painful. (glade, bonobo and others). I strongly suggest to take this discussion to the upstream. There are loads of the Gnome mailing lists and I think there are more people there who have very good technical and UX reasons to keep tomboy in default gnome for now. I wish you all the luck pushing such or similar change in Gnome it will be an appreciated open-source contribution which will then most likely be "synced" to ubuntu and other distributions out there. ps. I've promised myself not to reply to this thread..... Oh well we make promises to break them =) -- With best regards Dmitrijs Ledkovs (for short Dima), Ледков Дмитрий Юрьевич -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss