Out of curiosity, what does "do-release-upgrade" do that editing your sources.list, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" wouldn't do?
> -----Original Message----- > From: ubuntu-devel-discuss-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu- > devel-discuss-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Joao Pinto > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:02 PM > To: Davyd McColl > Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: upgrade from 9.04 - 9.10: the most broken Ubuntu / Debian > upgradeI have ever experienced > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Davyd McColl <dav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Good day all > > > > I'll try keep it short, because this mail doesn't contain anything > > particularly constructive -- it's just pertinent here because of the > sheer > > number of people who have posted that perhaps Karmic wasn't ready for > the > > big time. Also, I don't know where else to put this up for general > perusal > > where the people who count (Ubuntu devs) will actually see it. I > could LJ > > it, but you'd have to be a sad puppy to be reading my LJ > > (http://fluffynuts.livejournal.com). So here it goes: > > > > In approximately 10 years of Debian/Ubuntu usage (I switched to > Ubuntu in > > the Warty days), I have *never* had the displeasure of such a broken > upgrade > > process as I've just had, moving from 9.04 to 9.10. I've experienced > such > > brokenness from Fedora (but hey, that *is* the testing-ground for RH, > so you > > take your chances to start with, imo). Here's a short list of some > glaringly > > obvious problems that even the most incompetant QA should have picked > up > > (which, by the way, are being experienced by not only myself with the > heaps > > of packages I have installed from the Ubuntu repos, but also by a > colleague > > at work who started with a fairly standard 9.04 install just the > other > > day.Please bear in mind that I have *very little* installed from > anywhere > > other than archive.ubuntu.com -- I think I have 2 ppa's for tor and > rvm. So > > my machine, whilst bloated with GNOME, KDE and XFCE components, is > using > > mostly off-the-shelf components): > > > > 1) libc6 upgrade requires the restart of gdm. Which in turn requires > the > > termination of the X11 server. Which, in turn, requires that the > upgrade > > process proceeds in a never-ending loop as the actual installation of > libc6 > > doesn't complete properly. Not a problem for a vet with some > experience -- a > > big problem for the "average joe" that Ubuntu is normally so well- > suited > > for. Whilst I can switch to a VT and use apt, I don't have the > confidence > > that the average user out there could, although they would have been > > presented with the same "upgrade now?" question by update-manager > > 2) When I finally got the process started, there were several (read > 10+) > > rounds of the following: > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > [apt breaks because of package dependencies or other issues, such > as the > > config script for a package failing] > > apt-get install -f > > [lather, rinse, repeat] > > again, not that great for Joe user. Not that great for me either. But > at > > least I can attempt to fix it and remove conflicting and horribly > broken > > packages. I have several bug reports on Launchpad. I got tired of > posting > > them all when I got to about the 10th one. Generally, the issues were > often > > of the format: > > upgrade of package [Y] requires installation of new package [Y- > funkyname], > > but old [Y] wasn't removed first, so the installation of [Y- > funkyname] fails > > because of a package file conflict. Indi comes to mind here. > > OR > > bad installation scripts which cannot be run more than once (say, > when the > > package fails to install the first time). Wicd shines here, trying to > add my > > user to the net-dev group repeatedly and "failing" because I'm > already in > > that group from the first time it partially installed. > > 3) The kicker: after spending a couple of hours on this, I managed to > get my > > machine to a state where apt claimed that I had no more updates > available. > > So I figured it was time for the inevitable reboot. Except... GRUB is > > broken. Can't boot. Showstopper. I've tried fixing with a 64-bit > Debian DVD > > (sorry, I didn't have the 9.10 install CD down yet -- it was coming > down for > > me to share with friends when all hell broke loose during my > upgrade). > > When trying to fix from with a chrooted shell on the problematic > system, > > grub-install consistently fails with an error that it has an error > reading > > the stage1 file (which exists and I've seen it unpacked from a re- > install of > > the package .deb using dpkg in a chrooted shell, so please, don't > tell me > > that I personally have a problem with the file -- I would be > surprised if > > this isn't happening a lot more (and may well be because of changes > from the > > old GRUB to GRUB2 -- but again, a simple QA process *should* have > caught > > this). > > > > To add insult to injury, for the very first time in my life, I'm > using my > > dual-booted Windows install to provide a platform to attempt to fix > my Linux > > install -- downloading the 9.10 iso in the hopes that *something* on > there > > is way different from what is in the .debs that I've downloaded > during my > > system upgrade. I'm loathe to re-install: it's just Not The Linux Way > (tm). > > But it's starting to look like I might have to. > > > > This has to be the most disappointing upgrade I've ever experienced > from > > Ubuntu. Truly, the people who were begging for a release delay of a > week or > > so should have been given a little credence. And perhaps I have to > learn not > > to trust that the Ubuntu upgrade process will work? > > > > Flame me if you will -- this release has not been good for the Ubuntu > image. > > Still, I live in the hope that Things Will Get Fixed. And, where I > can, I > > would dearly like to help -- if only I can boot my machine again > sometime > > soon... > > > > -- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > There is no shame in not knowing; the shame is in not finding out. > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > > > > > Davyd, > did you use update-manager or do-release-upgrade for the upgrade ? > That is the recommended procedure for upgrading releases, check > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading . > > Best regards, > > -- > João Luís Marques Pinto > GetDeb Team Leader > http://www.getdeb.net > http://blog.getdeb.net > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
