Hi,
I've had a good-bad-great experience with Karmic.
FWIW, I started back with Feisty.
Right now, I am _very_ pleased with the way my system
is working, although some "adjusting" has been needed,
and was somewhat "uncomfortable" initially -- that is,
getting all the stuff I use confirmed working.
Karmic is the first time that compiz has been a big
FAIL on my ThinkPad T41s (see attached).
I don't like "eye candy", so had "Change Desktop
Background" -> "Visual Effects" set to "None". When
I updated my machine, it worked, and worked well.
Jaunty had started being a dog with Firefox and I was
seriously thinking of going back to Intrepid (it kept
getting worse month by month). When Karmic beta
came out, I punted and went there. It was marvelous.
I even apologized (not out loud) for the venting (not out
loud) I had been doing about how badly Firefox is
supported on Linux (which IMO, it still is badly supported
on Linux compared to Microsoft Windows).
When I went to upgrade two other T41s (same model,
9FU). when starting Firefox, the system would hard
hang with a mostly invisible trapezoid looking like
it was flipping down into place. After a day of pondering,
my son-in-law found that if he immediately went into
the "Change Desktop Background" and switched from
"Normal" to "None".... the hard hang did not happen.
Further, we found that even running metacity with
"compositing" ON causes things to really crawl on
this model machine... So there is something more
going on in Karmic than before.
This is a pain, BUT not that insurmountable. So, I
am wondering how many others there are out there
that have had some similar unexplained "hangs"
that have sent them off "barking up the wrong tree"??
I am hopeful that someone who works in the deep
innards of compiz and other "compositing" window
managers can identify where the issues are, and
perhaps review the properties selected when the
"configuring" based on discovered hardware is done.
Perhaps shipping without advanced graphics
enabled (none vs normal) would be better. Also,
having a better way to diagnose whether older
hardware can handle the newer features would be
helpful.
Also, if one has a running system, and then is
cautioned about adding features incrementally and
testing between each addition, would keep folks
from sliding off the road.
Cheers,
--ldl
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:21 AM, kkissling <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jonathan Ernst schrieb folgendes am 04.11.2009 09:45:
>> Le mercredi 04 novembre 2009 à 09:15 +0100, kkissling a écrit :
>> [...]
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The keyords are "in the past". Those things happend when I upgraded from
>>> 7.10 to 8.04. Did "do-release-upgrade" already exist back than? Anyway,
>>> good advice, I didn't know that command yet.
>>>
>>
>> It already existed in 6.10
>>
> Interesting, thanks! When I checked that I found this helpful page that
> describes upgrading older systems which reached their end-of-life:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
>
> br
> Kristian
>
>> Best regards
>>
>>
>
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