2013/9/21 <ubuntu-devel-discuss-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com> > Send Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list submissions to > ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ubuntu-devel-discuss-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ubuntu-devel-discuss-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-devel-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > packages (Jordon Bedwell) > 2. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > packages (Benjamin Kerensa) > 3. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > packages (Felix Miata) > 4. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > packages (Benjamin Drung) > 5. Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > packages (Prefix) (Gianfranco Costamagna) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:13:44 -0500 > From: Jordon Bedwell <jor...@envygeeks.com> > To: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> > Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > packages > Message-ID: > < > cam5xqnwdhpegp5w1xq5jssgqgse_buon31d3vtese+jz+qq...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > Ubuntu was born less than 9 years ago. Of the most popular current > distros, > > it's among the youngest. The more mature Mozilla developers picked their > > Linux distros before Ubuntu did more than a little maturing, 10-15 years > > ago, so these more experienced developers are mostly RedHat->Fedora > (heavily > > Gnome/GTK), SuSE->openSUSE (more evenly KDE as Gnome), > > Mandrake->Mandriva->Mageia (more strongly KDE than Gnome), Debian, > Slackware > > and maybe a few other more mature distro users. Most devs don't switch > > distros willy nilly. Those Mozilla devs using *buntu are mostly younger > and > > less experienced, and more likely volunteers than subsidized or salaried > to > > work on Mozilla. > > I can' tell if you are serious or trolling right now. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:53:38 -0700 > From: Benjamin Kerensa <bkere...@ubuntu.com> > To: PillowSky <pre...@pillowsky.org> > Cc: Ubuntu Devel Discuss <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> > Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > packages > Message-ID: > < > cagodq5nxi1torbxntvd12nmnja-kjuwzkjgn2aoyefoarjv...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A Mozillian maintains the Mozilla packaged in Ubuntu albeit in the case of > Firefox it is slightly different then what upstream ships and has some > Canonical add-ons baked in. > > Upstream does not track performance data from Ubuntu's Firefox because of > the differences from upstream. > > On Sep 20, 2013 9:41 AM, "PillowSky" <pre...@pillowsky.org> wrote: > > > > Post on ubuntuforum > > Link:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2175314 > > In the E-mail is just a summary. > > > > I find none of the maintainers are the software developers themselves. > > > > As for good developers like Mozilla, they have the ability to ensure the > > quality. I think it's not a good idea to assume that their softwares > > have bugs and need to be fixed by the Ubuntu Community. We work on > > different fields and should trust each other. > > > > The new strategy has many additional points: > > Encourage them to pay more attention to Ubuntu. > > Always have 0-day support for new release. That's obvious! > > Software developers will officially support Ubuntu. > > > > It is in urgent need to accept the new strategy because many software > > like LibreOffice are not update in time. So it is time to change! > > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20130920/6704b009/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:39:12 -0400 > From: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > packages > Message-ID: <523cb270.5040...@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 2013-09-20 13:13 (GMT-0500) Jordon Bedwell composed: > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > >> Ubuntu was born less than 9 years ago. Of the most popular current > distros, > >> it's among the youngest. The more mature Mozilla developers picked their > >> Linux distros before Ubuntu did more than a little maturing, 10-15 years > >> ago, so these more experienced developers are mostly RedHat->Fedora > (heavily > >> Gnome/GTK), SuSE->openSUSE (more evenly KDE as Gnome), > >> Mandrake->Mandriva->Mageia (more strongly KDE than Gnome), Debian, > Slackware > >> and maybe a few other more mature distro users. Most devs don't switch > >> distros willy nilly. Those Mozilla devs using *buntu are mostly younger > and > >> less experienced, and more likely volunteers than subsidized or > salaried to > >> work on Mozilla. > > > I can' tell if you are serious or trolling right now. > > The following baker's dozen current email addresses belong to core > bugzilla.mozilla.org bugs classified as either Linux or All platforms, > changed at any time prior to 2004, in the capacity of assignee, QA, or > reporter: > > aaronlev at gmail com > akkzilla at shallowsky com > asa at mozilla org > bugs at pettay fi > bzbarsky at mit edu > dbaron at dbaron org > hsivonen at hsivonen fi > kairo at kairo at > mcow at well com > mozilla at davidbienvenu org > rbs at maths uq edu au > roc at ocallahan org > timeless at bemail org > > Does anyone recognize any of them as reporter, owner or QA on > bugs.launchpad.net, or even as commenter there, or on any of the *buntu > forums? > -- > "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant > words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:34:39 +0200 > From: Benjamin Drung <bdr...@ubuntu.com> > To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > packages > Message-ID: <1379712879.3374.11.camel@deep-thought> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Am Freitag, den 20.09.2013, 14:06 -0400 schrieb Felix Miata: > > On 2013-09-21 00:40 (GMT+0800) PillowSky composed: > > > > > Post on ubuntuforum > > > Link:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2175314 > > > In the E-mail is just a summary. > > > > > I find none of the maintainers are the software developers themselves. > > > > Here's one reason why: > > > > Ubuntu was born less than 9 years ago. Of the most popular current > distros, > > it's among the youngest. The more mature Mozilla developers picked their > > Linux distros before Ubuntu did more than a little maturing, 10-15 years > ago, > > so these more experienced developers are mostly RedHat->Fedora (heavily > > Gnome/GTK), SuSE->openSUSE (more evenly KDE as Gnome), > > Mandrake->Mandriva->Mageia (more strongly KDE than Gnome), Debian, > Slackware > > and maybe a few other more mature distro users. Most devs don't switch > > distros willy nilly. Those Mozilla devs using *buntu are mostly younger > and > > less experienced, and more likely volunteers than subsidized or salaried > to > > work on Mozilla. > > You told us a lot assumptions. Do you have any statistics that support > your theory? > > -- > Benjamin Drung > Debian & Ubuntu Developer > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 07:21:30 +0100 (BST) > From: Gianfranco Costamagna <costamagnagianfra...@yahoo.it> > To: "ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com" > <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>, "pre...@pillowsky.org" > <pre...@pillowsky.org> > Subject: Re: Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > packages (Prefix) > Message-ID: > <1379744490.21725.yahoomail...@web172705.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > >Message: 1 > > >Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:38:51 +0800 (GMT+08:00) > >From: Prefix <pre...@pillowsky.org> > >To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > >Subject:? Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their > >??? packages > >Message-ID: > >??? <AM*a6qdbaoxhb83ivhmo0aqm.1.1379691531529.hmail.pre...@pillowsky.org> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20130920/5440da86/attachment-0001.html > > > >-------------- next part -------------- > >Let good developers like Mozilla to maintenance their packages! > > > >If we have a look at the maintainers of the packages in the Pool, we will > find none of the maintainers are the software developers themselves. > > > >May be the purpose of this strategy is to ensure software quality, > because all of the software are tested, modified(if needed), and rebuild by > the Ubuntu Community. > > > >But, as for good developers like Mozilla, they have the ability to ensure > the quality. I think it's not a good idea to assume that their softwares > have bugs and need to be fixed by the Ubuntu Community. We are cooperated > to bring the world a good OS, so we work on different fields and trust each > other. > > > >What is more important is that, they know a lot more about their code > than us. If a large project like Firefox contain bugs in their code and > can't work well in Ubuntu, we have to waste a lot of time to learn the code > tree, learn the algorithm in the program and finally find where the bug is, > and fix it. But the Mozilla developers are familiar with the code and is > possible to fix it within five minutes!This will happen if only Mozilla > maintenance Firefox packages themselves, because they will develop on > Ubuntu, build on Ubuntu, test on Ubuntu. Bugs will become less and less, > and less time will be wasted on things just like reinventing the wheel! > > > >The new strategy has many additional good points: > >Let the software provider maintenance packages themselves can encourage > them to pay more attention to Ubuntu, make the software more fit with > Ubuntu. > >Always have 0-day support for new release. That's obvious! > >Software developers will officially support Ubuntu, and may recommand > users to choice Ubuntu. > > > >I think a lot of good developers have the ability to maintenance packages > themselves. Mozilla, LibreOffice, Gnome, Apache, php, MySQL, phpMyAdmin, > Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, Filezilla, Boinc, WordPress, etc. They contribute > a lot and make excellent software, and we should trust them. > > > > I can talk only for Boinc, since I'm directly involved in it in debian and > ubuntu (from autosync). > I tried many times to report to upstream, we are in a very strict contact, > and many times they fixed the problem (I backported sometimes patches). > But many and many times I personally fix the issues, and I report the fix > upstream. > I'm not (yet) an upstream developer, but I think I have a good knowledge > for fixing bugs in boinc package. > > And last, upstream isn't aware (AFAIK) of the debian packaging system, it > will introduce a useless overhead in boinc handling. > > They release once or twice a year, maybe the improvements will come if > they adopt on their machine the debian packages, this is why we are going > to package the boinc-server-maker package too. > > > Gianfranco > > >It is in urgent need to accept the new strategy because many software > like LibreOffice are not update in time. This shows we do not have enough > staff to maintenance the packages. So it is time to change! > > > >==================== > >Original arcitlce Link: http://blog.pillowsky.org > >I am a student in zhejiang University, China. > >May be my English is not so well > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > > End of Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 82, Issue 14 > **************************************************** >
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