I like John's idea too, but I also don't like the simple appearance of a system thrown together so extemporaneously that a simple "power user" could fix the bugs. The hibernation is what really makes me irritated by Ubuntu. I know, I read some posts from Linux Torvalds on the subject. However it looks as simple to solve as reactivating the devices after restoring the memory. I know that my laptop even though it's probably not supported hangs when restoring the display. This could be because the splash screen is shown discounting the reactivation of the devices. I don't have a desktop right now, but whenever my laptop is unplugged in the hibernation situation, that's when it has problems. Otherwise it works fine, which could explain why the laptops are not usually supported.

This is so far the only Linux operating system I know of that has dedicated computer hardware with it preinstalled (though I could be proven wrong), so it would be great if the outside was as good as the inside.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote:
John Moser schreef op 19-07-2016 23:48:

What Ubuntu needs most is a simple, non-buried toggle option to show
the boot process--including displaying the bootloader, displaying the
kernel load messages, and listing which services are loading and
already-loaded during the graphical boot.  Ubuntu's best current
feature is the Recovery boot mode, aside from not having a setting to
make this the standard boot mode sans the recovery prompt. "Blindside the user with a confusing and meaningless boot process and terror at a
slight lag in boot time because the system may be broken" is not a
good policy for boot times longer than 1 second.

It's really quite obvious isn't it. But you don't need to see everything.

See currently it is either all or nothing and that is how many people seem to think.

Either you see a splash screen with no information at all (save perhaps an encryption message or a leaked-through kernel command line bug or error during the boot process) or you see all of the systemd services starting and perhaps much more information as well.

Why not divide the boot process in 5 or 6 stages and then show the user when each stage has been completed? SystemD already has stages (targets) but it was not really meant for humans.

I mean how obvious is it that "one state" (such as the desktop being loaded) is not informative enough, while "1000 states" may be much too informative?

When do people learn to find the middle road?

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