On 06/21/2012 02:46 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
On Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:25:09 AM Jono Bacon wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubu...@kitterman.com>
wrote:
I don't think it is unreasonable for Canonical to focus its resources
on Ubuntu as opposed to the flavors.
I'm crystal clear that the Canonical community team's QA effort is focused
on trying to get the broader community to do QA on Canonical products. I
think that's quite unfortunate. Rather than just trying to get free
labor for Canonical, I would have hoped you wanted to make QA better for
the entire Ubuntu project.
This is in marked contrast to Daniel Holbach's efforts (which I've been
watching and appreciating, but not had much time to get involved with) to
bring new blood into the Ubuntu development process. He's pursing the
kind of holistic approach I'd hope to see from your entire team.
We *are* working to "make QA better for the entire Ubuntu project",
but the point is that our focus is on *Ubuntu* and our specific
efforts don't extend to coordinating flavor testing. This doesn't mean
we are ignoring our flavors, or are not happy to offer advice or
guidance, but my team (Daniel included) is not focusing their efforts
on helping specific flavors achieve their goals.
I myself am surprised that you find this surprising: while many of our
efforts and programmes can bring value to the flavors (e.g. general
developer growth, working with upstreams, translations work etc), we
have rarely if ever assigned staff time to delivering on flavor work
items.
This is purely and simple about resourcing. Canonical is a company,
and it needs to invest its resources carefully: sure, we would love to
support all the flavors with more staff time (not just Kubuntu), but
we simply don't have the resources to do so. Importantly, though, we
are not stopping flavors from doing this work themselves...we are
still providing the infrastructure and help and guidance we can offer
in doing this work.
We're talking about two different Ubuntus. You're talking about Ubuntu the
product defined by a set of images/metapackages/etc drawn from a subset of the
Ubuntu Linux distribution's archive. I'm talking about Ubuntu as a project
which is bigger than either of those.
Scott K
If I may speak for myself here, my goal is to encourage ubuntu as a
project to be a leader in open source in the realm of quality. It's what
I care about and I hope to be a part of making happen. My work at
Canonical aligns with that in a very harmonious way. In no way do I wish
to close out or marginalize flavors or other QA teams -- I trust my work
has shown this to be quite the opposite.
A brief example for illustration; in the past I have personally helped
test some flavors images, and during the 'adopt an iso' campaign last
cycle, while I was campaigning to help ensure a quality iso for ubuntu,
I helped instruct people who wanted to test flavors images. This grows
the ubuntu community as a whole and is a positive thing for the project.
We have things in common and I encourage collaboration across flavors
and teams (ubuntu included!).
In this example, the important distinction to make is that while I
helped test or encouraged others to test a flavors image, I won't claim
responsibility for assuring quality on that image or ensuring it gets
released. That of course is up to the flavors teams, and I would not
usurp management or responsibility away from those teams.My primary
focus is upon ubuntu and ensuring a healthy testing community which is
able to help assure quality for each ubuntu release. This helps everyone
who uses ubuntu in direct and indirect ways, including flavors. A
healthy ubuntu QA community makes for a healthier ubuntu community.
Thanks,
Nicholas
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