My 2 cents as a French Translations Coordinator and a translator and proofreader for the French version.
- I don't think the Ubuntu Manual should be disbanded. The Manual is perceived as a valuable asset in the French Community (and most likely elsewhere). We're the only ones able to be able to produce (that is write, update, translate and proofread) a printed book in time for the Ubuntu Party (at least until this cycle). That much that when we didn't deliver on time, people were surprised, and a guy from the French community is somehow trying to create his own version and get it out. - I think before asking us to "pool resources" (which has been repeated too many times in that IRC log, just like a magical word), they should question the reason why they have a contributor problem. There's contributor churn (either for personal or demotivation reasons), and also the ability to onboard newcomers in an active way, which is very demanding. - What ressources economies would actually be created ? What are the Ubuntu Docs' assets ? In my sense, that looks like a resource- and brain- drain, that could actually destroy value overall (e.g. destroying the manual, without actually reviving the docs team in the long run) - The wiki pages are obsolete, and not designed to be translated. Our manual is designed to be up to date (or not published at all) and translated. - The Desktop Docs cannot "fail" as clearly as the Ubuntu Manual since UM has a much tighter Q&A process (either 1 book proofread and published, or 0). - Finally the team, and Hannie, Kevin, Patrick, Sylvie is doing tremendous and hard work, and it is what motivates me to kick my ass to get a translation out for each release, before the Ubuntu Party, and before all other teams (Germany might win the world cup, but we still have an edge on translations <3 ) sincerely, Pierre On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Kevin Godby <[email protected]> wrote: > I just wanted to jump in and clarify a couple things: > > 1. The desktop documentation that I mentioned is what you see if you > search for 'help' in the Dash. It's also available online at > <https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-help/index.html>. > > 2. The Ubuntu docs team has very few active members. Toward the > beginning of 2013, the last remaining active docs team member raised > the alarm about this problem before leaving the team. Since then, a > few people have joined the team to try to revive the docs team. This > past cycle there were perhaps half a dozen active members of the docs > team working on the various products. > > The Ubuntu docs team is responsible for the following: > > (a) The desktop documentation (linked to above). Much of this > documentation has been imported from the GNOME project in the past. > However, with the more recent Unity/GNOME split, Ubuntu documentation > has been diverging more and more from the stock GNOME documentation. > This means the Ubuntu docs team has had to write a lot more > Ubuntu-specific documentation than they did in the past. > > (b) The server guide (available at > <https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/index.html>). A couple > members of the Ubuntu docs team oversee the server guide. > > (c) The community help wiki (at <https://help.ubuntu.com/community>) > is edited by some members of the Ubuntu docs team, but the docs team > is not responsible for the content of the wiki. The wiki admins only > help with gardening tasks such as tagging pages, combining like pages, > setting up appropriate redirections, etc. The content of the wiki is > written and maintained by the entire Ubuntu community. > > 3. The docs team doesn't have any more insight into upcoming changes > than the manual team does. I think this is one area where it would be > especially constructive to pool our resources and share our knowledge. > > 4. The reasons some members of the docs team proposed shutting down > the manual project is because they think that people who are working > on the manual project would work on the desktop docs if the manual > project didn't exist. The Ubuntu docs team is trying to find more > people to help work on their documentation. > > —Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >
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