And the use of Qt/QML for both desktop and mobile development is commendable. If you want to use separate frameworks, that is a decision to be made.
Sincerely, Josh On Jun 22, 2013 8:30 PM, "Josh Leverette" <coder...@gmail.com> wrote: > QML allowing the business logic to be driven using JavaScript does not in > any way imply that the UI is based on WebKit, which it very much is not. > It's a regular ui toolkit like GTK. Even Gnome Shell is written in > JavaScript, but it isn't HTML or anything. Chromium will be the default > browser on Ubuntu, henceforth, as I understand it. WebKit on mobile and > desktop then. Firefox is still not proven to be any better than WebKit > based browsers for general browsing, so I'm ignoring that assertion. > Logically, the Ubuntu touch mail client will likely replace Evolution by > Ubuntu 14.04. Hopefully this addresses some of the questions you may have, > but things may not pan out exactly like this, of course. > > Sincerely, > Josh > On Jun 22, 2013 8:22 PM, "Luke Bryan" <luke...@msn.com> wrote: > >> >> I would really like to see Ubuntu on phones succeed, but if the main >> phone interface is apps interfacing with the system with javascript on >> webkit, I wonder how is this much different than going the way of webOS? >> From what I understand, there will now be *three* different platforms in >> the near future that are basically javascript + chrome-privileged code >> javascript: webOS, Ubuntu+QML, and Firefox OS. >> >> Add to this the confusion of using the standard GTK+ Python/C >> applications for the desktop when plugged into a screen, but *not* using >> it for mobile, would seem to be the opposite of "Unity". Will Ubuntu-phone >> have Firefox as the default desktop browser, but a separate webkit browser >> when you unplug it from keyboard and monitor? Evolution/Thunderbird mail >> when in desktop mode, but a completely different client when mobile? Maybe >> I'm misunderstanding the development model of Ubuntu-touch, I certainly >> hope this would not be the case. >> >> I see why Webkit might be considered the best in some circumstances, >> considering the integrations into GTK, QT, & others. I have written an app >> embedding a webkit view as the main panel in GTK, it works well, but >> Firefox is still (in most cases) the best general web browser, and the >> default on Ubuntu. I do hope this won't lead to more fragmentation of >> Linux, even within Ubuntu. >> >> best wishes >> Luke >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:38:43 +0200 >> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] browser does not support webgl >> From: lar...@gmail.com >> To: luke...@msn.com >> CC: coder...@gmail.com; ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> >> WebKit (and now Blink) cover >85% of the mobile browser use - while >> Firefox seems to be slightly lower (0.01% .. maybe not 100% accurate - but >> pretty far from WebKit in usage %'age) >> >> 1. Any mobile WebApps developer today will target iOS and Android first. >> Having a technology that is sharing the code base (qtwebkit) gives a good >> starting point to make sure webapps are also compatible with Ubuntu Phone >> 2. Firefox with their upcoming "FirefoxOS" seem to be pushing a LOT of >> specs - and not all of them make sense .. but they have to be ready for >> launch (it seems) so there is not much time to "waste" taking a holistic >> look at the specs to see if they all make sense. You can be sure that both >> WebKit/Apple and Blink/Google will *not* blindly implement these things if >> they don't make 100% sense to them. >> >> I also like Firefox - and it's nice with competition .. but it would not >> make much sense to select FF as the primary web platform on an OS that >> *also* has to prove itself with the operators and phone manufacturers >> before any kind of market penetration can happen. Selecting WebKit (and >> potentially Blink later - depends on how that develops) as the base of the >> core web engine (browser and webview for dedicated apps) over FF can't have >> been a hard choice to make for Ubuntu ;) >> >> br >> Lars >> >> For reference: >> >> Mobile/Tablet Browser Market Share (source: >> http://www.netmarketshare.com/) >> May, 2013 >> Browser Total Market Share >> Safari 59.98% >> Android Browser 20.73% >> Opera Mini 10.53% >> Chrome 3.22% >> Microsoft Internet Explorer 1.97% >> BlackBerry 1.02% >> Proprietary or Undetectable 0.52% >> Symbian 0.50% >> Opera Mobile 0.40% >> Opera 0.14% >> ACCESS NetFront 0.06% >> Mozilla 0.01% >> Firefox 0.01% >> Obigo 0.01% >> Microsoft Pocket Internet Explorer 0.00% >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Luke Bryan <luke...@msn.com> wrote: >> >> In my opinion webkit would be a fairly buggy base for a JS+QML interface. >> Even the jQuery folks have said there are more workarounds in their code >> for odd webkit behavior than other browsers. Mozilla technology is already >> making great leaps in the os integration area (Boot2gecko, asm.js which >> optimizes js up to around half the speed of native), which would be very >> beneficial in a web/javascript app-centered OS. >> >> I do hope Ubuntu phone will be able to run Firefox, or at least the >> Android version of Firefox? >> >> Best wishes >> Luke >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:06:27 -0500 >> >> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] browser does not support webgl >> From: coder...@gmail.com >> To: luke...@msn.com >> CC: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> >> >> WebKit is rapidly becoming the standard for the internet, and I'm not >> sure what quirks you're talking about. However, if they're developing their >> own browser, then by definition it cannot be Firefox. If someone develops >> an alternative browser, nothing will stop you from using it. >> >> Right now, no one offers Firefox for mobile through the Ubuntu UI, so >> making it even optional would prove to be extremely difficult. >> >> Sincerely, >> Josh >> Please don't tell me default web browser is webkit? >> Won't Firefox be default, or at least have an option to install Firefox >> on the Ubuntu-phone, like the desktop Ubuntu? I've had enough experiences >> trying to track down weird webkit quirks that I would prefer not to use it >> exclusively on a phone. >> >> Best regards, >> Luke >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:25:59 -0400 >> From: pat.mcgo...@canonical.com >> To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] browser does not support webgl >> >> On 06/20/2013 05:07 PM, Zisu Andrei wrote: >> >> I'm not sure webkit linux supports webgl. >> >> Zisu Andrei >> >> This report seems pertinent, will look into it further. >> Pat >> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-30405 >> >> >> >> On 20 June 2013 20:39, Wim de Vries <wsvr...@xs4all.nl> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> Just tested the Web browser on WebGL ... no support. >> Is there a reason for this? >> I would say a basic feature for mobiles. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : >> ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : >> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : >> https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >>
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