Thanks for the updates, everyone! >> But please remember that it's not an easy task. >> When we were switching our baseline from 14.09 (ubuntu-rtm) to 15.04 >> long time ago it took us a few months to stabilize the phone again.
For sure. It's a very serious undertaking. A task force is eminently reasonable. I was just a little out of the loop on whether or not there was an existing plan, and whether or not "scouting" was already underway. >> With xenial introducing the g++ ABI break (and a few other nuances), the >> whole process could take even longer since there's more things we need >> to consider during the switch. Yes. I've seen the ripples of that g++ ABI break impacting Ethereum developers based on ArchLinux, who are obviously ahead of the curve on that. Having to triage your way through all your pre-built binaries is not a joyful task. Best wishes, everyone. On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Tony Espy <e...@canonical.com> wrote: > On 04/22/2016 11:58 AM, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak wrote: > >> Hey Tony! >> >> We were considering that as well, but there are a few reasons we do not >> want to do that. If we wanted to move to 16.10 instead of 16.04 we would >> need to wait at least 6 more months for the switch to happen since we >> *must* base on a released version. It's not acceptable to do it before >> the series is fully released - we did that in the 14.09 times and it was >> one of the worst ideas and experiences we had. >> >> Waiting 6+ months to do a baseline switch is too long, we already >> stretch vivid's possibilities - being that the main series is already EOL. >> > > Sure, as long as we're aware that we'll probably end up with more packages > in the overlay re-basing on xenial ( vs. x+1 ) as the barrier to SRU'ing > packages for 16.04 is a bit higher than landing the same changes in a > development release. > > That said, I understand the trade-off re: having to wait yet another six > months, and the risks of using a "pre-release" version. > > Regards, > /tony > > > Cheers, >> >> W dniu 22.04.2016 o 17:47, Tony Espy pisze: >> >>> On 04/22/2016 11:01 AM, Pat McGowan wrote: >>> >>>> meant to send to the list >>>> >>> >>> Pat -- >>> >>> Can you comment on whether consideration of moving to 16.10 is a >>> possibility vs. 16.04 (xenial)? >>> >>> Regards, >>> /tony >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: *Pat McGowan* <pat.mcgo...@canonical.com >>>> <mailto:pat.mcgo...@canonical.com>> >>>> Date: Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:52 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Xenial for Ubuntu Phone? >>>> To: Filip Dorosz <filip.dor...@rapidrage.com.pl >>>> <mailto:filip.dor...@rapidrage.com.pl>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No, the move to Xenial will not include a transition to Snappy, this is >>>> a longer term work effort which we are also actively planning. We are >>>> working with the snappy team on issues unique to ubuntu-personal (which >>>> will be the basis for the phone) which are a superset of the problem >>>> space compared to ubuntu-core. >>>> >>>> As Lukasz mentioned going to Xenial requires us to have a well thought >>>> through migration path for apps/scopes and we will communicate much more >>>> on this and work with developers as the plans get finalized. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Filip Dorosz >>>> <filip.dor...@rapidrage.com.pl <mailto:filip.dor...@rapidrage.com.pl>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Łukasz. >>>> >>>> When the Phone move to Xenial will it also be Snappy based finally? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Filip Dorosz >>>> >>>> W dniu 22.04.2016 o 11:41, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak pisze: >>>> >>>> Hello Bob! >>>> >>>> W dniu 22.04.2016 o 01:23, Bob Summerwill pisze: >>>> >>>> So Xenial has been released :-) >>>> >>>> My apologies if this has already been addressed, but what >>>> is >>>> the planned >>>> schedule for Xenial arriving for Ubuntu Phone devices? >>>> >>>> I have been using a Meizu MX4 as my primary phone for the >>>> last few months, >>>> and I just took delivery of a BQ Aquarius M10 tablet and am >>>> setting it up >>>> right now. Woohoo! >>>> >>>> Both my devices are currently on Vivid 15.04 (OTA 10.1). >>>> >>>> What is the Xenial transition plan for these official >>>> devices? Best >>>> wishes! >>>> >>>> >>>> As already mentioned in a few landing e-mails, the baseline >>>> switch from >>>> vivid to xenial is our near-term plan for stable channels. But >>>> please >>>> remember that it's not an easy task. When we were switching our >>>> baseline >>>> from 14.09 (ubuntu-rtm) to 15.04 long time ago it took us a few >>>> months >>>> to stabilize the phone again. With xenial introducing the g++ >>>> ABI break >>>> (and a few other nuances), the whole process could take even >>>> longer >>>> since there's more things we need to consider during the >>>> switch. >>>> >>>> The most difficult part is that we can't only concentrate on >>>> one >>>> front, >>>> meaning: we can't just drop everything and just work on getting >>>> xenial >>>> (devel-proposed) into working shape as our current focus needs >>>> to be on >>>> the stable devices (vivid-overlay). That being said, we will be >>>> preparing something similar to a 'task force' that will be >>>> taking care >>>> of moving the xenial initiative forward. It's really hard to >>>> give a firm >>>> schedule here - with this we still need to wait a bit. >>>> >>>> All this means the next few OTAs will still be vivid-based >>>> with our >>>> development focus on vivid, but then we intend to switch to >>>> xenial for >>>> future devices. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am on the waiting list for Meizu MX5 PRO as well, as my >>>> next phone. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Bob Summerwill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>>> <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net> >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- b...@summerwill.net
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