On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 21:57:55 +0200 Alberto Salvia Novella <es204904...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking about the Roman's king, I have just received this email from > a familiar which I have installed Ubuntu: > > Cousin: > > It gets worse every time, especially at start-up, it hangs and > > needs to restart. > > > Other mentions in the latests two months: > > Father: > > It usually hangs at start-up, and mouse stops working from time to > > time. > > Friend: > > Ubuntu was no longer booting up. I needed it for my end of career > > work, so you know what I did? Removed it and installed Windows > > 10. So would you open a bug with the following description: "it gets worse every time, specially at start-up, it hangs and needs to restart" What are we supposed to do with this bug? > So it seems that all of these happens nearly all of the time: > (https://askubuntu.com/questions/760934/graphics-issues-after-while-installing-ubuntu-16-04-16-10-with-nvidia-graphics) Ah. So these are all symptoms of a nVidia driver issue? I agree this is a bug. The problem -- specifically for nVidia -- is: who fixes it? It is closed source, so we cannot; or it depends (as what happened on 16.04 release) on a future kernel support, at the time to be coded, tested, and released (perhaps some of us would be able to code it in; I am not, though. I also do not know if this has been solved, I left nVida a long time ago because I was tired of their crappy coding and continuous bugs. I am pretty sure there are already many nVidia bugs recorded in LP, still open. I wonder what having more of them (supposing all new bugs are clearly set against nVidia, not against Ubuntu, or other wrong package) would help. > Root cause: nobody is reporting bugs and nobody is triaging them, as > it's too hard to read the manuals. Wrong root cause, but let's move on. So, by all means, let's re-write the Reporting Bugs wiki and related pages. But keep in mind my point, throughout this series of email threads: it does NOT help triagers and maintainers to have a LOT of badly-reported bugs. We need *good quality* bugs. [A good start on re-writing, perhaps, would be adding a list of high-impact bugs, that people can look at and add a "me too" if their bug fits). For whatever definition of "high-impact".] But what you proposed is not a good re-write, as far as I can see it. You proposed to simplify to such a point the reporting bugs could as well be written as "go to LP and write whatever you want". There. One single line (if you replace "LP" by the correct link). Which is BAD bug reporting, but so what? > And people won't allow the needed > change because of: > > (https://plus.google.com/+AlbertoSalviaNovella/posts/6fmD4E2vKfP) [Now I am completely lost. What does political correctness have to do with good reporting of bugs? Anyway.] For the record, "people won't allow the needed change" is wrong in a few points: * you have the power to re-write the wiki. Other people *also* have the power to undo what they perceive as wrong. The same right you have others have. If this escalates, some with more power will take whatever actions deemed necessary to stop the write/re-write cycle. * or, perhaps, you want those that did not agree with you *NOT* to be able to do so? * nobody prohibited you on working on the re-write. Many did not agree with it, I grant. But you were NOT, by a long shot, prohibited from giving a new view. * what once happened was you changing a wiki page *without* a proposal, and doing it in a way that some that were working with it disagreed. This was, indeed, *your* fault: you do not, unilaterally, change something that is used by a lot of people. You *propose* your changes, and reach a consensus. * but you do not seem to want a consensus. You want *your* way, or the highway. This is not how a community, be it a democracy or meritocracy, works. This is, on the other hand, how dictatorships work. So what you have experienced is /not/ people not allowing the "needed change", it was people -- community members just like you -- disagreeing with your proposed changes. Let me be clear on this: I *know* the Reporting Bugs is a mess. I *agree* the pages have to be re-organised, cleaned up, re-written. I *disagree* with your approach, for reasons already discussed ad nauseam. But this is *my* view. OK, I agree it is biased by my years of technical support. But it is still my view. Personal. I do not speak, formally, for the project -- I have no authority to do so. But I *do* speak in the community based on my personal interest in bugs and triaging. After all, I am a member of this community -- which, by the way, would be as true if I were not to be an official Ubuntu member(as you also are). Cheers, ..C..
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