The meeting bot was down so here is the log: [15:00] <belkinsa> #startmeeting Ubuntu Scientists [15:00] <belkinsa> Er, the meetingbot is gone. [15:00] <belkinsa> Anyways, who is for the Ubuntu Scientists meeting? [15:01] <Aleo> Me - Alejandro [15:01] * balachmar raises hand [15:01] balachmar belkinsa balloons bdmurray bdrung beisner benonsoftware benrodrigue beuno bladernr_ broder [15:01] <belkinsa> #chair belkinsa [15:01] <belkinsa> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Meetings/Agenda/05232014 [15:01] <belkinsa> Anyone else? [15:02] <belkinsa> Okay, let's start... [15:02] <belkinsa> #topic Set up monthly meetings [15:02] <belkinsa> First of all, are too young as team for having monthly meetings? [15:03] <balachmar> is that a question, or a statement? :) [15:03] <belkinsa> Even though monthly meetings creates a better focus for the team. [15:03] <Aleo> I think it is better to have monthly meetings [15:03] <belkinsa> Question, and I meant are we too* [15:03] <balachmar> Monthly meetings are a good idea I think [15:04] <balachmar> It is not too often, so it doesn't consume a lot of time [15:04] <belkinsa> Right, meetings should be under an hour. [15:04] <balachmar> +1 :) [15:05] <belkinsa> Should we do this time and the last Friday of the month? Or something else? [15:05] <Aleo> I think that maybe the time for meeting we can change [15:05] <Aleo> I made mistake in calculation, so I am at 4:00 (am). [15:05] <balachmar> For me this is a good time, but depending on the other participants, we might need to rotate times or something [15:05] <belkinsa> What you have in mind? [15:06] <Aleo> For me earlier or later is ok. Last friday of the month is ok for me [15:06] <balachmar> thursdays work a little better for me, but I can do fridays as well [15:07] <belkinsa> Alright. I will do a call on the mailing-list on a better time/day. [15:07] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Make a call on mailing-list about monthly meeting time/day [15:07] <balachmar> sure, and if times vary a lot, rotating could help [15:08] <Aleo> If possible let's work on UTC time from the beginning, so it is easier to calculate [15:08] <balachmar> sure times need to be communicated in utc [15:08] <belkinsa> Sorry about that, it was Doodle's fault when I shut off the timezone setting. [15:09] <belkinsa> And I will ask about rotating the times/days. [15:09] <balachmar> no worries [15:09] <Aleo> no prob [15:09] <belkinsa> Are we ready to move on? [15:09] <balachmar> yep [15:09] <Aleo> yes [15:10] <belkinsa> #topic vUDS Prep [15:10] <belkinsa> Again, is this needed for the team or not? [15:10] <belkinsa> Also, I was asked to be a track lead. [15:10] <belkinsa> So, I think I can do another track. [15:10] <balachmar> I am not sure, never attended a vUDS [15:11] <balachmar> They are normally during my work hours... [15:11] <belkinsa> vUDS is June 10 to June 12. Times for the tracks are unknown at this moment. [15:11] <belkinsa> vUDS's seem to be for many. [15:11] <belkinsa> balachmar ^^^ [15:12] <Aleo> What type of activity or role do we have for vUDS? that would be different from normal meetings? [15:13] <belkinsa> Tracks are splints that are planning for the cycle (14.10 for example) and blueprints are created with those goals and the monthly meetings we work on them. [15:14] <balachmar> Would you like to use a vUDS to draw more attention to this? [15:14] <balachmar> Because we can make blueprints without a vUDS as well [15:15] <belkinsa> It would be a use and maybe we could get help from the outside world (the rest of the COmmunity) [15:17] <Aleo> We can try to participate on the next vUDS, but again the time of the meetings would be a concern. [15:17] <belkinsa> That can work. [15:17] <Aleo> They are to be held on Tue ~ Thu. [15:18] <balachmar> But we need not all be present at a vUDS [15:19] <balachmar> just a "delegation" with some prepared work [15:19] <belkinsa> Not all. The lead and the ones who want to join in either in G+ Hangouts or just plain old IRC. [15:20] <balachmar> I would at least do some preparation together to make sure there is some concensus [15:21] <belkinsa> +1 [15:21] <Aleo> Yes, I think that would be good. [15:21] belkinsa balachmar balloons bdmurray bdrung beisner benonsoftware benrodrigue beuno bladernr_ broder [15:21] <belkinsa> Do you want to take that action item, balachmar, on mailing the list about the prep and working up a blueprint draft? [15:22] <balachmar> belkinsa, to be honest I am a bit short on time at the moment... [15:22] <belkinsa> Okay, I can take it if you don't mind. [15:23] <balachmar> I don't mind [15:23] <balachmar> I will try to pitch in as much as possible [15:23] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Work on vUDS Prep and mail the mailing-list [15:23] <belkinsa> I understand. [15:23] mapreri markthomas marlinc marrusl marting maxb mdeslaur mhall119 MooDoo MrChrisDruif munz_ [15:23] mapreri markthomas marlinc marrusl marting maxb mdeslaur mhall119 MooDoo MrChrisDruif munz_ [15:24] <belkinsa> Ready to move on? [15:24] <balachmar> yep [15:24] <Aleo> Yes [15:25] <belkinsa> #topic Discussion of team's goals [15:25] <belkinsa> #https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-scientists/+spec/goals [15:25] <belkinsa> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-scientists/+spec/goals [15:25] belkinsa balachmar balloons bdmurray bdrung beisner benonsoftware benrodrigue beuno bladernr_ broder [15:26] <belkinsa> I believe this was yours, balachmar. Want to talk about them, if you have anything else to add? [15:26] <balachmar> By the way, I am just reading about the meetingology, pretty cool :) [15:27] <belkinsa> It is. [15:27] <balachmar> Well, I just wanted to find out what the goal(s) of the group would be [15:27] <belkinsa> But there seem to be missing bot issues around the Community. [15:28] <balachmar> Because the initial description was a bit vague, and could be interpreted as any one of those [15:28] <belkinsa> I think they are good ones. [15:28] <belkinsa> I think I know who we can contact for that fourth item. [15:29] <balachmar> But I do think we should try to pick one or two of them to start with (I would actually propose one) [15:29] <belkinsa> +1 [15:29] <balachmar> And then work one that goal, until we have something good for that and then pick another. [15:29] <belkinsa> I like this idea. [15:30] <belkinsa> Aleo, what do you think? [15:30] <balachmar> But in the OSS mentality, obviously if someone comes in with a real passion for any of those items (s)he is free to pursue [15:30] <belkinsa> Indeed. [15:30] <Aleo> Yes, I was also thinking similarly, about separating in groups to handle them. But we are lacking in manpower [15:31] <balachmar> Aleo, that is why at the moment we should just pick one and go for that one [15:31] <Aleo> so as balachmar proposes it should be better to handle one at a time. [15:31] <balachmar> 2 and 3 are very difficult and long term [15:31] <belkinsa> 4 may have some leads that are outside the Ubuntu Community that I can contact. [15:32] <balachmar> It seems that belkinsa already has an idea for at least one success story [15:32] <Aleo> Ok, I would like to add one more more. [15:32] <Aleo> sorry to ask one more [15:32] <belkinsa> Go ahead. [15:32] <Aleo> This blueprint page can be edited by anyone, correct? [15:32] <belkinsa> Correct. [15:33] <Aleo> No need to be a member of the group, correct? [15:33] <belkinsa> I believe so. [15:34] <balachmar> I think you need to be part of the group [15:35] <Aleo> Ok, that was it. Most of the wiki/documentation is public, so I was wondering if we needed a special "privilege" to edit the documentation. [15:35] <Aleo> Anyway, let's work on No. 1 then. [15:35] <belkinsa> Anyone can edit the wiki. [15:36] <belkinsa> You need a LP and a Ubuntu SSO account. [15:36] <belkinsa> If you need help, you can aways ask in #ubuntu-doc or e-mail the doc team's mailing-list. [15:36] <balachmar> So, for goal#1, there already exists http://www.osalt.com/ etc [15:37] <balachmar> But I think it is useful if we would start a wiki or something to group tools/software into categories that are geared towards scientists [15:38] <belkinsa> I was too and I know that Ubuntu Community Help Wiki has that page on software. [15:38] <belkinsa> (Switching topics since we are talking about it) [15:38] <belkinsa> #topic Discussion of what should be on our Wiki Team Pages. [15:38] <belkinsa> #topic Discussion of what should be on our Wiki Team Pages [15:39] <belkinsa> Maybe we can link that page somewhere on our team pages [15:39] <Aleo> Is this different from blueprints page? [15:39] <belkinsa> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/ [15:39] <belkinsa> Yes, it's our wiki stuff. [15:39] <Aleo> Ok, thank you [15:40] <belkinsa> It's where we have the resources to help people. And bookkeeping. [15:40] <Aleo> So, let's start by introducing the team goals [15:40] <balachmar> ok, so I think there we should have an overview of what we did [15:41] <belkinsa> Sure. [15:41] <balachmar> So indeed start with the goals we identified, but clearly mention the goals we currently focus on [15:41] <belkinsa> Alright, should this be on the homepage (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/) or another page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Goals)? [15:41] <balachmar> Then maybe also a small snipper about the people currently involved [15:42] <belkinsa> We could. [15:42] <Aleo> Maybe in the same [15:42] <balachmar> I think at the home page, it is the first thing I would want to know [15:42] <Aleo> For starters [15:42] <balachmar> snipper = snippets obviously [15:42] <belkinsa> Okay, I was thinking that to but I still wanted to ask. [15:43] <balachmar> And for one of the success stories a small excerpt [15:43] <belkinsa> #action belkinsa Contact Open Science to see if there is some success stories [15:43] <belkinsa> Okay, and then we can have a large page with other stories. [15:44] <balachmar> ok, so what differentiates us from Open Science? [15:44] <balachmar> brb [15:44] <belkinsa> We are of the Ubuntu and it's favours Community and they are a mix of Dirstos and other things [15:45] <belkinsa> What I meant was that we are Ubuntu and it's favours users and we are within this Community and I think we can make some impact. [15:45] <Aleo> To be clear open science is openscience.org? [15:45] <belkinsa> Yes. [15:46] <Aleo> ok, thank you [15:46] <belkinsa> Wait, no, I meant them: http://opensciencefederation.com/ [15:46] <belkinsa> But I can look at them. [15:46] * balachmar is back [15:46] <belkinsa> Just like Ubuntu Women (sorry, I had to go back on what I said before). [15:47] <balachmar> ok, sure then I get it [15:47] <balachmar> I thought that open science was also a group within ubuntu space [15:47] <belkinsa> Ah. [15:47] <Aleo> yes, me too [15:48] <balachmar> I have no problem with having a similar theme specific to ubuntu [15:48] <balachmar> as long as we try to communicate well with other initiatives [15:48] <balachmar> no need to do double work [15:48] <belkinsa> +1 [15:48] <Aleo> ok, so the large page, that belkinsa mentioned is part of the wiki? [15:49] <belkinsa> Yes. Something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Stories [15:50] <balachmar> For example with FLOSS alternatives, I think it might be useful to also state how widespread the use is. [15:50] <belkinsa> Also we need a page titled https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/Resources [15:50] <Aleo> I propose something [15:51] <belkinsa> balachmar, we should. [15:51] Aleo Adri2000 ajmitch AlanBell Ampelbein apw ayan [15:51] <belkinsa> Aleo, go a head. [15:51] <belkinsa> ahead* [15:51] <balachmar> For example, I work in data analysis/statistics, and there are quite a few closed source packages, but R for instance is very wide spread. Also used in industry a lot. [15:51] <balachmar> Aleo, go ahead [15:52] <Aleo> Since belkinsa mentioned the project. So, for starters why don't we copy the structure of the Ubuntu Wome's wiki page and use it as the base for our wiki page [15:52] <Aleo> This is. Project, Whois, Meetings and events, Projects, Resources, Guidelines. [15:52] <belkinsa> We could but I think it's easily copyable. [15:53] <Aleo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWomen [15:53] <belkinsa> Because they have their own wiki not on the Ubuntu Wiki. [15:53] <belkinsa> Oh, that page? [15:53] <Aleo> As a starting point [15:53] <belkinsa> I never know that existed! [15:53] <belkinsa> knew* [15:54] Aleo Adri2000 ajmitch AlanBell Ampelbein apw ayan [15:54] <balachmar> yep, the shois section would be useful indeed [15:54] <belkinsa> I like that idea, Aleo. [15:54] <balachmar> me too [15:54] <Aleo> I have never edited an Ubuntu wiki, but I can volunteer to try [15:55] <belkinsa> Sure, I can help you, Aleo. [15:55] * belkinsa is a part of the Doc Team [15:55] <belkinsa> Correction, is the driver for the Wiki Sub-team. [15:56] <belkinsa> Aleo, do you want to do this in a sandbox page first? [15:56] <Aleo> Sure [15:56] <belkinsa> Okay [15:56] <belkinsa> #action Aleo work out a wiki team page [15:56] <Aleo> I will ask if I cannot do. [15:56] <belkinsa> Alright. [15:57] <belkinsa> Are we set on this item? [15:57] <Aleo> If it is ok, let's set that as a goal/target for the month. [15:57] <belkinsa> Sure. [15:57] <Aleo> Yes [15:57] <belkinsa> #topic AOB [15:58] <balachmar> I have no other business :) [15:58] <belkinsa> Oh, I so misread that Aleo. [15:58] <belkinsa> But sure we can set that as ours. [15:59] <Aleo> what is AOB? [15:59] <balachmar> any other business [15:59] <belkinsa> Any Other Business. [15:59] <Aleo> ahhh [15:59] <Aleo> jaja, No more business [15:59] <belkinsa> Alright. Ending meeting now [15:59] <belkinsa> #endmeeting [15:59] <balachmar> So I think we can/should steal the Whois part of the women, with profiles of the people involved and then interviews would be our success stories [16:00] <belkinsa> Thank you all for coming to the meeting. [16:00] belkinsa balachmar balloons bdmurray bdrung beisner benonsoftware benrodrigue beuno bladernr_ broder [16:00] <balachmar> sure, you are welcome [16:00] <belkinsa> balachmar, I like this idea. -- Svetlana Belkin A.K.A: belkinsa User Wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa
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