Good point on a server. The desktop sound system is in total disarray. We are content to build our servers on the alternative command line only install but I suspect several server builds are in order (file, web, gateway...).
But I did try to set up a vls server recently and decided the effort required exceeded my desire. I still have fantasies of building a multimedia server. Jim On 2/18/08, Neal McBurnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FYI - this affects ubuntu-server and the virtual builds also. > The question of why sound stuff was in the jeos system came up often. > This makes sense offhand to me.... > > Neal McBurnett http://mcburnett.org/neal/ > > ----- Forwarded message from Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: alsa-* moved to desktop > Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm moving alsa-base and alsa-utils from the minimal seed to desktop-common > following a conversation on #ubuntu-devel. I thought the rationale might be > interesting to copy here for the record. > > <mtaylor> um... why does ubuntu-minimal depend on alsa-base alsa-utils? Do > I really need sound on a minimal system? > <crimsun_> that point has been raised several times. > <mtaylor> ok > <mtaylor> any chance there's a ranting web page explaining the choice > somewhere? > <crimsun_> I don't know offhand. > <Nafallo> crimsun_: what's your opinion on that one? :-) > <Nafallo> just curious > <crimsun_> it should be at most Recommends. > * mtaylor thinks that if we think sound is an integral part of the system, > there should be an alternate ubuntu-server package one can install ... > <Nafallo> yea. of standard :-) > <mtaylor> Nafallo++ > <Nafallo> mtaylor: all servers are diverse and different. so I don't > believe in a server seed > <mtaylor> Nafallo: I don't really either... > <mtaylor> Nafallo: I'm just saying that if minimal is going to stick > desktop need in... I would like a server thing that doesn't have them > <Nafallo> hehe > <cjwatson> mtaylor: the reason we put that stuff in ubuntu-minimal is > because alsa-* is needed for stability of hardware detection > <mtaylor> cjwatson: wow. really? > <cjwatson> mtaylor: all possible server profiles are by design supersets of > minimal > <cjwatson> we certainly won't be offering anything that's less than that > <mtaylor> cjwatson: I would certainly expect them to be supersets of minimal > <cjwatson> I would like to see stuff organised such that we didn't need > alsa-* in minimal for stability though > <mtaylor> I would agree. > <mtaylor> I can understand their existence there for that reason - but I > would suggest that it's a bug in hardware detection that that is the case > <cjwatson> it's not as important as it used to be, actually > <cjwatson> it used to be that the installer was two-stage; after installing > a minimal system, it rebooted to install everything else, and then dropped > you into the final system without rebooting again > <cjwatson> so, if stuff like alsa-base that provides /etc/modprobe.d files > and alsa-utils that provides udev rules weren't installed in the first pass, > your first boot would be different from all the rest > <cjwatson> however, in dapper, we finally got the installer reorganised so > that it could all operate in a single stage > <cjwatson> so I think there is now a case for moving alsa-* to desktop > <cjwatson> crimsun_: what do you think? > <crimsun_> cjwatson: agreed. > > Thanks, > > -- > Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > ubuntu-server mailing list > ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server > More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam > -- ubuntu-server mailing list ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam