Set, thanks a lot for your answer. I think that instead having this ressource on Launchpad, we should have a page on our website, like this: https://eclipse.org/artwork/ With all the ressources available to download. And a disclaimer, telling what you can do or not do, and how to contact us. This would make it easier.
I will send this link to Hellotux: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-artwork/current-standard/files So they can get the orginal files. So, even with Set clarification about Ralf's tone, I will take time to answer to him, because I would like things to be transparents. Are they allowed to use it or aren't they? If they are allowed to do > it, then they are free to do it, right? > You are playing on words. Legal stuff and brand management are not a joke. And words are to be used very, very carefully. What have the clothes to do with the software? Nothing! Absolutely > nothing! Somebody allows them to use the logo, that's ok, but it makes > no sense to announce a product of a shop. > The clothes are about Community management. The software should be only a part of Ubuntu Studio, and the most important should be the Ubuntu Studio community. There is an obvious legal reason why we must speak about it on the shop: we must inform that Hellotux has the right to sell swag with the brand. And we must add a disclaimer that as usual with Ubuntu Studio swag, we don't have any benefit. So this is clear for our community, and for Canonical. >If we don't inform our community, how they are aware that this is > >available???? > > If they want clothes, they should search for clothes. It's not the > business of a FLOSS distro to advertise what some shop sells. > Selling swag is the first source of revenue for any local user group, be it Linux, Java, or any other Community. If you want a Debian or a Fedora sticker at an event, usually you pay for it. Most of the time, they order enough quantities to have a discount, and then sell the swag at the same price, keeping the benefit. We are not allowed at the moment to do that for Ubuntu Studio. But you made a point: it is now clear that don't understand anything about local user groups and community involvement. However, communities are actually the heart of open source software. And wearing swag is how you show you are active in a community. I bet I understand more about design and communication than you ever > will be able to understand. You are naive and your naive ideas add a > bad taste to FLOSS. > Well, actually, design and communication for FLOSS is my job for many years. And at the moment, I am working for the Eclipse Foundation, the most important Java technologies ecosystem and community. I am also part of the staff at http://www.communityleadershipforum.com/, I am invited to write a series of article for opensource.com this fall, and I spoke about community management at many floss events, including Eclipse Con (before I was hired by Eclipse), OW2con and Paris Open Source Summit. I teach Floss at the University in my area. In the past, I have been moderator for Framasoft.org forum, the most important french forum about FLOSS. And in 2006 I was at Ubuntu Developer Summit at Google headquarters, invited by Canonical to make Ubuntu Studio official. I was also very active in my Ubuntu local user group (Lyon, FR) before moving to an other city. And I have a master in B2B marketing. I bet that if all those people trust me, this is because I know what I am speaking about. This is because I have records of my achievements. I am not naive, I am speaking about concrete experience of communication and community management in Floss. You want examples of proud people being part of a community? Redhat: some employees are so proud to work for them, that they tattoo the logo on their body (You think they are stupid, maybe?). Most Eclipse, Drupal and Wordpress contributors/enthusiasts I know have stickers on their backpack and laptops and wear shirts at conferences. And outside Floss: in motorcycle clubs, members are wearing the club jacket with badges about their rank and achievements (this is gammification). Soccer fan wearing their club/player shirt in the streets. They are plenty examples. Just look around you when you go outside. If you are not proud enough to wear a Ubuntu Studio shirt, it means that you are perhaps a contributor, but you are not active in the community and you are not interested to develop it. Set answer is clear on this point. > For what purpose do you want to advertise clothes? Linux Mint is one of > the most worse distros I know. It's exactly this point, everybody > knows it, everybody loves it and all users ask for support on channels > that have nothing to do with Mint, because there is no huge experienced > Mint community and there's no good support by Mint forums or mailing > lists and I already mentioned that Ubuntu Studio Wikis are weak, too > and regarding the idiotic policy that they cannot be as simple edited as > every other serious Wiki, this is something much more important than > ridiculous clothes. > Again, you play on words. I don't want to advertise. I told you already this is not advertisement but information. I want to inform that Ubuntu Studio exists for people who are interested. I want to show that we are an active community. I want to build a community, I want to attract new contributors and new users. And YES!!!!! clothes are part of this. Like you, I don't like Mint (one thing we agree, at least). But even with all the drawbacks, this is one of the most popular distribution at the moment, because people like it. You should remember that back in 2004/2005, at the beginnings of Ubuntu, there was no great support neither, and users where looking for support on Debian mailing lists, and other floss forums. Then, Canonical hired Jono Bacon and other people to build the Ubuntu community. And in 2006/2007, Ubuntu forums, wikis, Ubuntu local user groups, in many languages, were available to help. I can tell because I was already active at this time. I helped on forums, IRC, install parties, events, e.g demonstrating Ubuntu Studio in Paris for Ubuntu release party. > Btw. please explain what the money you spend in around 10 years have to > do with this shop. Is there some relation? Why do you mention this? It > becomes more and more suspect. It seems that you have an issue with money. But Floss is about money, actually. Do you think that developers are really doing that for free? Even Richard Stallman sold Emac copies at the beginning of GNU. People contributing to Floss, most of the time, are paid to do so by their employers, because they build a business on Floss. Why do you think Mozilla has been created? Because Netscape was the only good web browser for Unix, and IBM, Sun and HP needed a browser for Unix workstation users after Netscape bankrupted. Big companies are actually financing Floss, because this is strategic. And this is not just with giving money to foundations, but also hiring skilled people to contribute. Ralf, I really hope you know and understand that. Now, I can explain why I spent my money in Ubuntu Studio: because free software is not free like a free beer. Do you know why the RME pci sound cards and or firewire sound cards are working with Ubuntu, and Ubuntu Studio? Because in 2006, I purchased RME, Echo sound cards (and trust me, that's expensive) and other devices like that with MY money, to test, report bugs and get the alsa drivers fixed for Debian based distributions. I rented DV cameras to complete the doc about firewire kernel modules (only hard drive worked at this time). I even gave away some hardware to developers/packagers. I will never see again this money, and I don't care: Ubuntu Studio is working. Spending this money was the only way to achieve that. And you, what do you do for Ubuntu Studio? What did you do in Floss? Why you think you already know everything about communication? Please tell me, I am very curious, I would like to understand who you are, and in what field you are a specialist. Or please shut up and stop to answer to this thread. > Regards, > Ralf > > -- > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel >
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