If you think of the soundcard as a speaker, that might help. A speaker has an input, but the speaker itself is an output device. Where a speaker takes an analog signal and converts it to sound-pressure that we can hear, a soundcard takes a bunch of bits, from a CD or softsynth or mp2/3/4, etc, and converts it to analog for speakers or other audio gear. A soundcard also coverts in the other direction, from audio to bits for CDs, mp3s, etc. Although I'm only a few months into the penguin's audio world, I am blown away by the power of Jack and the lameness of Windows to provide anything similar - even leaving money out of the equation. Maybe ReWire is similar, but Windows audio routing is so much LESS intuitive than Jack, I am a total convert now. I didn't even mention how all my MIDI USB gear is true plug-n-play in Ubuntu Studio, thanks to Jack, whereas in Windows, I was constantly tweaking drivers and hunting for updates to keep things compatable or to get them to work at all. Jack is smart and simple, and it works.
--- On Sun, 6/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 10 To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 8:47 AM Send Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list submissions to ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-Studio-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Trouble with setting up Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. Setting Up Jack, Envy24 (Dave Ricketzz) 3. Re: Setting Up Jack, Envy24 (Carla) 4. Re: Trouble with setting up Jack (Carla) 5. Re: Trouble with setting up Jack (Andrew Oikle) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:10:16 +0200 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Trouble with setting up Jack To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:41:55 +1000 (EST) Carla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah I am afraid the visual side of my brain works better but so far > so good with the tutorial. There are terms that I am still learning. > OK I picked default as I do not know which to pick from the drop down > box. The numbers are yellow and not red. It get's to about 70 > something percentage and drops, rises, drops etc. Ok, as long as there is only green 0 (0) below 'Started' and no red numbers, everything's fine. The yellow % numbers are cpu-load. It shouldn't be at 70% but rather fairly below 10%. >Yes I realise I > will have to put a proper soundcard in. I will hopefully get one this > week but it depends on finances. I have a really good network of > people around me that can get me a good one. It won't be the best one > ofcourse but maybe it will. When getting a soundcard, make sure it is compatible. The best place to check that is: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main > Anyway when I am recording I am using a > microphone. I don't record musical instruments at all. I also don't > use a lot of tracks when making music after all I am from the old > skool of Hip Hop where music is not the focus. It s about the lyrics. > C The main strengths of the jack system are the possibility to get really low latencies and very flexible routing. If you don't have high requirements, single applications using alsa might suffice. For loop-based and straight stuff, lmms could be a all-in-one option (similar to fruity loops), but beware that it's still pretty early in development and that it's not in Ubuntu Studio by default. Try and test, find out what works for you. It could be interconnecting apps using jack or a single app that does it for you, try, try, try, and ask. Philipp ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 07:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Ricketzz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Setting Up Jack, Envy24 To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii #1 seems like a no-brainer, but... My installation changes this setting every time I boot. Since I have a Delta 1010LT, I select ICE1712 (the chipset on the Delta). I start Jack, then I open the Envy24 control panel for the soundcard, then I open Ardour. The audio in and out of Ardour is adjusted on the Envy 24. There is also a monitor input selector on Envy24. The cables from the Delta 1010LT aren't fully labeled, near as I can tell. This information is what I have needed at bare minimum to get the editor working. As I can get sound in and out, I'm now at the stage where I'm learning to "edit" on Ardour. http://www.ubustu.com/globe/2007/05/29/how-to-configure-jack-in-ubuntu-studio/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:38:03 +1000 (EST) From: Carla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Setting Up Jack, Envy24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well I got a little further with your info ...like that I am getting the numbers happening but I keep having to change one of the things as the xrun thing is a problem so I am not there yet. I think I have decided to install ubuntustudio on my other machine that has ubuntu 7.10 on it but I don't know how to update from a dvd. The other machine has a good soundcard so that would solve a lot. C Dave Ricketzz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: #1 seems like a no-brainer, but... My installation changes this setting every time I boot. Since I have a Delta 1010LT, I select ICE1712 (the chipset on the Delta). I start Jack, then I open the Envy24 control panel for the soundcard, then I open Ardour. The audio in and out of Ardour is adjusted on the Envy 24. There is also a monitor input selector on Envy24. The cables from the Delta 1010LT aren't fully labeled, near as I can tell. This information is what I have needed at bare minimum to get the editor working. As I can get sound in and out, I'm now at the stage where I'm learning to "edit" on Ardour. http://www.ubustu.com/globe/2007/05/29/how-to-configure-jack-in-ubuntu-studio/ -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users --------------------------------- Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/attachments/20080609/a4aa1b42/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 00:41:49 +1000 (EST) From: Carla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Trouble with setting up Jack To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks but I have bashed my head too long and it hurts. I really don't understand alsa or anything sound wise in linux. I have decided to install ubuntustudio on my other machine as it has the better soundcard (well not soundonboard) and more ram too. I just don't know how to upgrade from a dvd via the respositories. C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:41:55 +1000 (EST) Carla wrote: > Yeah I am afraid the visual side of my brain works better but so far > so good with the tutorial. There are terms that I am still learning. > OK I picked default as I do not know which to pick from the drop down > box. The numbers are yellow and not red. It get's to about 70 > something percentage and drops, rises, drops etc. Ok, as long as there is only green 0 (0) below 'Started' and no red numbers, everything's fine. The yellow % numbers are cpu-load. It shouldn't be at 70% but rather fairly below 10%. >Yes I realise I > will have to put a proper soundcard in. I will hopefully get one this > week but it depends on finances. I have a really good network of > people around me that can get me a good one. It won't be the best one > ofcourse but maybe it will. When getting a soundcard, make sure it is compatible. The best place to check that is: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main > Anyway when I am recording I am using a > microphone. I don't record musical instruments at all. I also don't > use a lot of tracks when making music after all I am from the old > skool of Hip Hop where music is not the focus. It s about the lyrics. > C The main strengths of the jack system are the possibility to get really low latencies and very flexible routing. If you don't have high requirements, single applications using alsa might suffice. For loop-based and straight stuff, lmms could be a all-in-one option (similar to fruity loops), but beware that it's still pretty early in development and that it's not in Ubuntu Studio by default. Try and test, find out what works for you. It could be interconnecting apps using jack or a single app that does it for you, try, try, try, and ask. Philipp -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users --------------------------------- Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/attachments/20080609/593521c6/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 10:47:23 -0500 From: "Andrew Oikle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Trouble with setting up Jack To: "Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion" <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Carla. By the looks of it, your sound card is compatible. If you haven't already, you need to understand what Jack is for. If you've used Re-Wire in the Windoze world, it's like that but better. It's used to route ("wire") audio inputs and outputs between the music programs and the soundcard, so it's actually your patchbay. It's also used to synchronize tempo of the multiple music programs you choose. For instance I use Ardour to record. To route inputs from the soundcard, I go to Jack, click "connect" and connect the soundcard inputs on the left panel (which might appear as 'capture_1' and 'capture_2' under 'alsa_pcm' or 'system') to the tracks I created in Ardour on the right that appear under 'ardour'. You will probably need to click on the [+] to expand and see the individual connections under each program you see in Jack. You simply connect these inputs and outputs by click-dragging between them. Ardour depends on Jack to connect all its tracks to it's master output and bus'es too. You disconnect by clicking on both sides of the connection and clicking disconnect. Don't click Disconnect All unless you really mean to Disconnect All. So to not get confused, the "input" of the soundcard is actually an "output" in Jack, called Readable Clients which makes more sense said that way. The Writeable Clients such as your soundcard output "system or alsa_pcm", is an Input in Jack but a physical output respectively. Look at like the 'inputs' to your 'outputs' and the 'outputs' of your 'inputs'. For each Jack-aware music app (eg. Hydrogen), you'll also see them in the Jack connections panel. To understand what Alsa is in the Linux world, Instead of getting a driver for windows from that soundcard's website, Alsa is the sound driver(s) for all the different sound cards our there, a one-for-all(most actually), instead of one-for-one in the shitty windows world. If you get any sound without Jack (ie. the startup sound), your card is working and you really don't need to understand more about Alsa. Hope that helps. On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Carla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks but I have bashed my head too long and it hurts. I really don't > understand alsa or anything sound wise in linux. I have decided to install > ubuntustudio on my other machine as it has the better soundcard (well not > soundonboard) and more ram too. I just don't know how to upgrade from a dvd > via the respositories. > C > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:41:55 +1000 (EST) > Carla wrote: > > > Yeah I am afraid the visual side of my brain works better but so far > > so good with the tutorial. There are terms that I am still learning. > > OK I picked default as I do not know which to pick from the drop down > > box. The numbers are yellow and not red. It get's to about 70 > > something percentage and drops, rises, drops etc. > > Ok, as long as there is only green 0 (0) below 'Started' and no red > numbers, everything's fine. The yellow % numbers are cpu-load. It > shouldn't be at 70% but rather fairly below 10%. > > > >Yes I realise I > > will have to put a proper soundcard in. I will hopefully get one this > > week but it depends on finances. I have a really good network of > > people around me that can get me a good one. It won't be the best one > > ofcourse but maybe it will. > > When getting a soundcard, make sure it is compatible. The best place to > check that is: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main > > > > Anyway when I am recording I am using a > > microphone. I don't record musical instruments at all. I also don't > > use a lot of tracks when making music after all I am from the old > > skool of Hip Hop where music is not the focus. It s about the lyrics. > > C > > The main strengths of the jack system are the possibility to get really > low latencies and very flexible routing. If you don't have high > requirements, single applications using alsa might suffice. > For loop-based and straight stuff, lmms could be a all-in-one option > (similar to fruity loops), but beware that it's still pretty early in > development and that it's not in Ubuntu Studio by default. > Try and test, find out what works for you. 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