Aron, have you tried the DVD iso? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/release/
It contains the packages of localized versions of Ubuntu for all languages. Maybe this is what you need. :) 2009/12/16 Aron Xu <happyaron...@gmail.com> > Thanks Tom, but I think your suggestion isn't very to the point perhaps. > > I want to talk about *official* localized CDs rather than customized > versions either done by local governments or other teams and individuals, > and my concerns have been stated in the initial mail. We have many editions > that aren't officially approved by our community, and some of them are in > Distrowatch's list,but that's really not enough. Most of them is just like > your company makes a tweaked version and only be trusted by a small amount > of people, and only an official one can be reliable enough to most people > desiring to have a fully localized environment at the very beginning of > their experience. > Can you imagine if Microsoft doesn't provide a localized version of Windows > for your language, what will their customers do? Ubuntu is free software and > the situation can be better in some possibilities, but providing the > localized editions is a big step forward in our progress, which I've > mentioned at the first thread. > To ubuntu-devel subscribers, my first mail was posted to ubuntu-devel but > not approved till this message being composed, please have a look at > Zhengpeng Hou's mail, which included all my message in a reply. > > Regards, > Aron Xu > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > >> Hi :) >> >> Many governments already produce their own linux version for their people >> to >> use. In many cases governments even employ people to help with such >> developments. Often Ubuntu is the chosen linux distro to work from but >> some >> countries choose other versions of linux, China and Turkey famously >> developed their own from scratch. >> >> Perhaps we just need to support advertising or promoting the Ubuntu >> versions >> where they are not widely known? Perhaps we could get links to their sites >> from the main Ubuntu homepage? >> >> DistroWatch is an excellent place to look-up these different versions as >> it >> puts a lot of work into keeping their data up-to-date, man other sites >> look >> better but fail to be so up-to-date and comprehensive >> http://distrowatch.com/ >> >> From their front page for today i got to these 2 new releases earlier this >> week ... >> >> http://www.epidemiclinux.org/index.php?lang=pt-BR&option=com_content&Itemid=50 >> http://www.mopslinux.org/news/81-mopslinux-70-beta1.html >> >> As another example a quick search for "Spain" on their site, using their >> search feature gave these results >> http://distrowatch.com/search.php?origin=Spain >> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?distribution=molinux >> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?distribution=guadalinex >> >> Also scroll down their Ubuntu page to their "Related Web Sites" in the >> table >> there >> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=Ubuntu >> Perhaps this would be useful to link to from the main Ubuntu homepage? >> >> >> In Community Documentation there are instructions for anyone wanting to >> create their own Customised Cd although i think it needs translating into >> human languages as even my own edits of it are almost completely >> incomprehensible techno-babble >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch >> >> >> I hope something here helps? >> Good luck and many regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "happyaron...@gmail.com" <happyaron...@gmail.com> >> To: ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com >> Cc: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com; loco-conta...@lists.ubuntu.com >> Sent: Wed, 16 December, 2009 6:31:56 >> Subject: Considerations about official localized editions of Live CDs >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> It is a proven fact that Ubuntu, the Linux for Human Beings, is a great >> GNU/Linux distribution, which enables more and more people all over the >> world enjoy free software, share their knowledge and joys. >> >> Being an user of Ubuntu, I must say all the work done by the community and >> Canonical is awesome; but as a contributor from a not English spoken >> country, I would be extremely happy to see we can launch localized edition >> Live CDs, in other words language specific edition Live CDs for users that >> have different languages and preferences. >> >> For different languages there always be different cultures, and this >> caused >> to different user preferences. There are many people don't have enough >> knowledge about English to use a not localized computer in this world. A >> user of this kind will find it essential to download and install many >> thing >> to complete their language support when they installed Ubuntu from our >> Live >> CD in the past and at present. Most of these users have some common usage >> of >> software, so install these "language preferred" software is another >> required >> task before the system is usable. Do you think such a thing is very >> annoying? Yes, users would be much happier when they find an operating >> system designed to be very considerate. >> >> We have spent lots of man power on improving the process of installation >> including language support, and a GNU/Linux distribution always ships not >> only a system but also a set of selected applications, but I think things >> are still not perfect for us. Microsoft and Apple make their operating >> systems have different language's editions, and as a non-native English >> speaker, I 'd like to say it worth. Users prefer to have a fully localized >> environment in every corner they can see from the very beginning. But for >> Ubuntu we can only add translations of software that used during >> installation. The live session is an exciting feature, but I always here >> somebody ask "why are those all in English?""is there a fully translated >> Ubuntu available?" I've explained our current situation times by times, >> and >> these people always return to say "Ubuntu is great, but if there is a >> fully >> translated one, things will be even better." The way to solve such >> problem, >> is having a language specific edition. >> >> So there are teams and individuals appear to make their distributions >> based >> on Ubuntu, or we are regarding them as Ubuntu Derivatives. The existence >> of >> these derivatives help us spread our distribution in the positive side, >> but >> there are really negative side, it's not just a problem on user choice, >> like >> between Fedora and Ubuntu, but something influence our build of community. >> Those derivatives always not only ship language packs but also some small >> tweaks for specific user groups (not like Mint, which makes some bigger >> differences). Due to many reasons, there always be breakages and bugs that >> never existed in official Live CD. Users have to choose a provider that he >> or she can trust when they are about to turn to Ubuntu but can hardly >> accept >> to start from a global edition Live CD with minor support of his or her >> language. But who can make sure the quality of these derivatives? Perhaps >> nobody can tell. For the derivatives provided by non-profit organizations, >> situations are better than those profit-driven teams. I know some editions >> have changes that bring security holes, ship Ads (e.g. hard change on >> Firefox home page which point to a site full of Ads), and of course some >> of >> them refused to open there changes. Yes, users are able to drop those >> unwilling changes, but why he or she tries a derivative if they like to >> deal >> with such issues? We may still say it doesn't matter a lot up to here. >> Then, >> most of those derivative's authors don't supply support even though some >> of >> them have make changes and cause problems, and even some of them push the >> support work to local community deliberately. Apart from general >> questions, >> these users always ask about problems caused by derivative's changes. It >> is >> an annoying and overwhelming job to answer, even just tell them "to use >> the >> official one" can be an awful thing that few people like to do. This lead >> to >> discount to our community, and those users may think Ubuntu and our >> community are not friendly because most of them don't know the real >> situation exactly. >> >> Making official localized Live CDs can also lead to a new stage of Live CD >> usage. A Live CD can be used as a demo, a rescue system, or even a >> temporary >> working environment, the live session is a feature that many users like >> very >> much. As mentioned before, a not English spoken user can find some very >> limited support in the current Live CD. We need to admit it can hardly be >> used to do anything other than run a installation. Even for a demo >> purpose, >> other will always ask about the nearly all English environment. I've said >> in >> the beginning of this piece, users prefer to seeing that every corner he >> or >> she can reach is localized. To achieve a better usage of Live CD, a full >> localization is critical for these users. As for languages that need input >> method to input characters, for instance CJK languages (Chinese, Japanese >> and Korean), without a full featured input method, their usage of Live CD >> can be even more limited. It is really hard to input these complex >> scripts, >> though we have ibus with general m17n support by default, but you can only >> type characters one by one, such thing look very ridiculous for nowadays >> input method development and usage. When you cannot input a sentence, how >> can you make it even if you just want to search the web for some articles >> via live session? >> >> Apart from the meanings of official localized Live CDs above, users can >> save >> time on downloading and installing language support and perhaps other >> common >> software using a localized Live CD. For example, to complete a basic >> language support of Chinese needs around 100MiB to be downloaded, such a >> size only count in the language packs and input method without pulling in >> any other common software like StarDict to land on the system. With a >> localized Live CD, users can have a usable environment to be installed >> when >> they can't access a fast Internet connection, or even without a >> connection, >> such feature is obviously welcomed by many users who have desired it for >> long. With a fully localized environment, we can simplify user's >> configuration process, and make it really almost ready-to-use once >> installed. >> >> Making the localized Live CDs don't need any changes on our most >> infrastructures, it is just a matter of default selection of software in >> the >> CD. This will cause some more work for CD image team, translation >> exportation and our ISO building facilities, but I think it worth it. The >> intention of default package sets and some QA work can be done by the LoCo >> teams. >> >> We can't provide Live CDs for all languages, especially at the very >> beginning, but starting with having a try for some languages that have >> special need of care and a big amount of potential users is worthwhile. We >> can accumulate experience and make the process better. Windows and Macs >> can >> have language specific editions, why we can't? >> >> Providing official localized editions can be a big step forward on >> spreading >> Ubuntu and free software to the world. The progress of making it out is >> another try on the cooperation of development community and local >> communities. Ubuntu is Linux for Human Beings, I think such an action is >> really to that point, which will benefit a lot of users throughout the >> world. >> >> >> Best regards, >> Aron Xu >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-translators mailing list >> ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators >> >> >> > > -- > loco-contacts mailing list > loco-conta...@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > >
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