2008/11/9 Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think we've actually got three different types of user to accommodate. > > Those who will upgrade pre release, those who will upgrade at the release > date, and those who will upgrade a period of time into the release. > > The first type are normally done by those who have a bit of savvy in dealing > with the breakages and bugs that appear as part of the pre release cycle - > techies if you will. > > The release day people are those who like to be at the leading edge, but > either don't have the time, or maybe the inclination to go into the apps to > sort out problems, and have a moderate expectation of it just working from > the release. > > The last group of upgraders are those who want to have the latest release, > but don't want the hassles with the release day problems. It is this last > group of people that I don't think are well catered for at the moment in new > CD images - non LTS releases of course. Yes I'm aware that of course by > upgradeing you will get all the packages that will address the release day > bugs, but this download can be quite large and time consuming. > > Perhaps what should be suggested is a re-base of the CD image some 3 - 4 > weeks into a cycle to mop up all the fixes and squashed bugs that have > become apparent since release? This would then give us a better platform to > give to whomever, and we'd be safer in the knowledge that it'd just work - > well better than some of the experiences described here earlier. > > I haven't looked at Brainstorm yet to see if this is floating about there > already. > > Would anyone else like to comment on the thought of such a post release > update and the expectations as to what it should actually contain? > > Ian > > Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Sutton > Sent: 08 November 2008 17:56 > To: British Ubuntu Talk > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Intrepid 8.10 Kubuntu - disaster > > > gav wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 12:41:08PM +0000, Bruce Beardall wrote: >> >>> I think you raise some important concerns, Alan. As a Gnome user, I can't >>> really say I've had much recent experience beyond a cursory glance at KDE > 4 >>> but I think this leads to an interesting question: >>> >>> If we're to advocate Linux [and as far as this list is concerned, Ubuntu] >>> should we be concentrating our advocacy on the LTS release? It's all too >>> easy for anyone on this list to get carried away with the latest and >>> greatest but the vast majority of those we're trying to introduce Linux > to >>> are used to the years between each Windows release. Should we be >>> concentrating on introducing them to a release which is intended to be >>> around for a number of years and expected to have a certain level of >>> stability and accessibility? >>> >> >> >> As the last couple of releases have had a bumpy start I've been putting > LTS >> versions, currently 8.04.1 Ubuntu on new installs for people recently. >> >> I think I'll stick with the 8.04.1 Ubuntu disc for a while yet. >> >> This does ask the question of why the latest releases have had a bumpy > start, >> is the new features cut off coming too late? is it not being tested on a > wide >> enough variety of hardware? Or is it something else? >> >> Everything seems to be patched quite quickly and a .1 release seems to > follow >> shortly that solves most of the release day problems. >> >> Should we be advising people to wait a week, or even a month before > upgrading >> to a new version of Ubuntu? >> >> > > I thought this was a matter of course for most operating systems, wait > a while, see if there any major issues then upgrade, of course if > everyone did that we would not identify issues, perhaps also as > advocates we should install out selves and be able to fix issues before > giving copies away to users to just want it to work and not worry about > fixing stuff that much. > > its a difficult one to call but it looks far better on us if we are told > by a user of a problem and we know how to fix it quickly, rathar than > having to explain why a simple thing like disc eject is not working > properly. > > perhaps once a few issues are fixed the cd image (iso file) should be > updated with these fixes, so 8.10.1 8.10.2 etc, each month, until 9.04 > is released, this would sound more logical, as that way it would not > just be fixes but updates too, and once installed it won't be taking as > long to download the updates to fix issues, the software cd will never > then be more than 1 or 2 months out of date, where as 8.10 in march will > be about 5 months out of date and still carry know issues from when it > was pressed. > > I would also guess that 8.10.5/6 would have certain bits in there that > will make any transition to 9.04 much easier,. > > just my thoughts really. I will send off for some 8.10 cd. > > Paul > > > > Paul > >
I'm one of the older (76) people who just want a quiet life. It's often a simple and easy path for beginners that we want. Just a simple operating system - this is why I'm in mac-mini/Ubuntu and open office which I want to work perfectly (this is why I keep reading this site). Yes, I''ve just taken on Heron and its updates without realising that I should hold off because it wasn't perfect. I'd be happy to be out-of-date if it meant that this was the best place for a beginner. When I took on Ubuntu last year I was confused as to which of the linux systems I should take on - and the advice I got merely confused more. Too many people advising different variants. I'm happy to stay with Ubuntu providing it is looked after with simple updates and something like add/remove opportunities for me to look at if I want to branch out. The last thing I want is to install an inaccurate update. The last one has stopped me from mounting a USB memory without a restart, and I await an update to deal with it so I can mount it as I go. No warning was given. Yrs Robin > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
