On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to >> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> >> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>> >>> >>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>> built >>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>> >>> Decent Abit mainboard >>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>> >>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>> Abit >>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>> They >>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>> >>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>> >> >> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >> >> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I >> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >> sitting in my wife's PC). >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick >>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board). I >>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>> sitting in my wife's PC). >> >> >> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a modern >> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >> desktop, >> this board: >> >> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >> >> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system runs >> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big rig >> machines use. >> >> -- >> Gav Ford >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications circuit >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: not available >> Type: application/pgp-signature >> Size: 197 bytes >> Desc: Digital signature >> Url : >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Message-ID: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> >>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>> >> >>> > >>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>> > built >>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>> > >>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>> > >>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>> > Abit >>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>> > They >>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>> > >>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>> > >>> >>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >> >> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>> >> >> Rob, >> >> You're probably referring to this: >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >> >> Regards >> Chris >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Chris Coulson wrote: >>> >>> You're probably referring to this: >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>> >>> Regards >>> Chris >> >> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price between >> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS etc. >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> gav wrote: >>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a modern >>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my >>> desktop, >>> this board: >>> >>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>> >>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system >>> runs >>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big rig >>> machines use. >>> >>> >> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* make use >> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the system >> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at >> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually used >> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I don't >> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on my >> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >> >> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently running >> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading this.... >> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently running >>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading this.... >>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >> >> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you judge on >> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine. >> >> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles that. >> >> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom back, 4W >> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. However that >> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free, open >> driver 3D support. >> >> -- >> Gav Ford >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: not available >> Type: application/pgp-signature >> Size: 197 bytes >> Desc: Digital signature >> Url : >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>>> >>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money >>>> > built >>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>> > >>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks) >>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>> > >>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good >>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked >>>> > Abit >>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience. >>>> > They >>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do. >>>> > >>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>> > >>>> >>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't >>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>> >>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>> >>> >>> Rob, >>> >>> You're probably referring to this: >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>> >>> Regards >>> Chris >>> >> >> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known british >> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL (Windows >> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >> manufacturers >> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >> >> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA card >> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these tests. >> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development >> program) >> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >> >> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get every >> piece >> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on the >> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work for the >> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux >> support. >> >> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like some >> cheap >> joke. 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