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Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; >>>>>>>>>>> delsp=yes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>>>> rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got >>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still >>>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty >>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the >>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty >>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now >>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a >>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these >>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the communications >>>>>>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same >>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always >>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still >>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price >>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from >>>>>>>>>>> MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on >>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole >>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I *could* >>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the >>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle >>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually >>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so I >>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video on >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently >>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading >>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you >>>>>>>>>>> judge >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the >>>>>>>>>>> machine. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles >>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom >>>>>>>>>>> back, >>>>>>>>>>> 4W >>>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. >>>>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle >>>>>>>>>>> free, >>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still >>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known >>>>>>>>>>> british >>>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL >>>>>>>>>>> (Windows >>>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware >>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, >>>>>>>>>>> VGA >>>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market >>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>> program) >>>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get >>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at >>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like >>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>>>>> joke. 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