All I'm saying is that Ubuntu is no more buggy than windows when it's first released.
Jason Chandler On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Zitt <[email protected]> wrote: > Here's the thing: I'm not much of a programmer (a few Perl scripts and Lisp > programs a few decades back, but I've been working in a bookstore and not > paying much attention to programming for most of the past decade). I don't > know the languages needed to submit patches. I don't have the skills to do > bug reports, nor the time to put them together. I'm just a guy trying to DO > things with the software. And if I'm thinking about the software instead of > the task, the software has failed. > > If, as you suggest, Ubuntu is a specialist's sandbox usable only by those > who have the time and the chops to fix it rather than achieve things with > us, does this suggest that those of us who are not programmers should not > bother with it? Is the Ubuntu community ultimately just a technocratic > elite? > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Paul Tagliamonte <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Joseph Zitt <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Y'see, I'm a big Linux aficionado, but this is the kind of thing that >> really >> > bugs me about Ubuntu (and Linux in general). There's the big drumroll >> > leading up to the release, the excited reviews about how wonderful >> things >> > are, the excitement of downloading and installing the new versio... and >> then >> > it doesn't work, and I ask questions, and I get "Well, yeah, that's >> really >> > buggy. Go back to the old version." >> > >> > I understand that Ubuntu has a widely touted process of alphas and betas >> and >> > release candidates and all that... but we have these failures all the >> time. >> > >> > What can be done so that there's a dependable testing process? Does >> anyone >> > take pride in and ownership of the new releases? Do we really expect to >> > reach World Dominiation if the user experience has these hurdles? >> > >> > My unfortunate experience is that when I want excitement and to feel >> like >> > I'm Doing The Right Thing, I use Linux. But when I'm facing deadlines >> and >> > need productivity without either excuses or detours to work around stuff >> > that I can't aford to have broken, I have to depend on something else. >> > >> > How can this be made better? >> >> It's open source, if it's buggy you can always submit patches and bug >> reports :) >> >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Patrick Best <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> @Joe, >> >> >> >> First of al.. yeah.. politics suck. That's why ive stayed out of >> ALLLL... >> >> of these convos. anyway... I have the Asus 1101HA (GMA500 Poulsbo GFX >> card.) >> >> Even bigger pain to run on 10.10. Go with 10.04. I am using that just >> fine >> >> with one of the most linux unsupported graphics cards in the Asus >> line.. SO >> >> PaulTag is very much so right. 10.10's unity interface is extremely >> buggy. >> >> I'd give it at least a few months before trying it. Also, you can >> always try >> >> googling Asus EeePC ubuntu 10.10.. and see what pops up. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Paul Tagliamonte <[email protected] >> > >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Heyya Joe, >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Joseph Zitt <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > First, my apologies for posting outside the key topics of politics >> or >> >>> > dentistry. >> >>> >> >>> Dude, we all hate politics. No worries. >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook Edition with the Unity interface on >> an >> >>> > Asus >> >>> > Eee 1001P. [0] >> >>> >> >>> Oh no. I see where this is going... >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > The system has some quirks, such as starting with the keyboard >> >>> > NumLocked >> >>> > (which led me to think that i couldn't log in at all until I >> realized >> >>> > it) >> >>> > and not supporting an external monitor well. >> >>> >> >>> :( >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > It also sometime grinds effectively to a halt. I hear it >> continuously >> >>> > accessing the hard drive, but can't do anything. This sometimes >> happens >> >>> > when >> >>> > I revive it by pressing a key after it's been idle for several >> hours, >> >>> > but >> >>> > also see it in some other less well-defined circumstances. (One >> thing I >> >>> > found was that opening the Files and Folders screen, so I don't use >> >>> > that >> >>> > anymore, sticking with Gnome Commander.) When this happens, all I >> can >> >>> > do is >> >>> > forcibly power down then power it back up. >> >>> >> >>> This is more Unity then anything else. Since Mutter does not support >> >>> hardware acceleration, it renders via software. BOO! >> >>> >> >>> I was trying to backport netbook-launcher to no avail. :( >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > I seem to remember there being scripts, and possibly even software >> >>> > packages, >> >>> > that straightened this stuff out, but I'm not seeing them anymore. >> >>> > >> >>> > BTW, I hated the Unity interface when I first experienced it, but >> have >> >>> > grown >> >>> > to like it. With the help of Gnome Do, a bunch of Firefox plugins, >> >>> > Dropbox, >> >>> > and a few other tools, this is a surprisingly useful little PC. >> >>> > >> >>> > So... does anyone have any pointers on getting 10.10 to work better >> on >> >>> > this >> >>> > Eee? >> >>> >> >>> Switch to 10.04. I know it sounds backwards, but 10.10's unity >> >>> iterface is really really REALLY buggy. I've switched off of UNE >> >>> because of it >> >>> >> >>> :( >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > [0] http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=5AH8HAdGuhiQIXgg >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Joseph Zitt ::http://www.josephzitt.com >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > Mailing list: >> >>> > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio<https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-us-ohio> >> >>> > Post to : [email protected] >> >>> > Unsubscribe : >> >>> > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio<https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-us-ohio> >> >>> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> Let us know how it goes!!! >> >>> >> >>> -Paul >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors. >> >>> >> >>> #define sizeof(x) rand() >> >>> :wq >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Mailing list: >> >>> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio<https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-us-ohio> >> >>> Post to : [email protected] >> >>> Unsubscribe : >> >>> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio<https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-us-ohio> >> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Joseph Zitt ::http://www.josephzitt.com >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors. >> >> #define sizeof(x) rand() >> :wq >> > > > > -- > Joseph Zitt ::http://www.josephzitt.com > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio<https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-us-ohio> > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio<https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-us-ohio> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >
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