(In reply to comment #69) > (In reply to comment #66) > > > Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in > > France? Like slashdot.org or smth... > > There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the > final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site.
But this has the same pitfall as any volunteered survey, it isn't any kind of representative. I for example myself barely ever read a linuxfr article, and wouldn't participate or even see a survey there. That doesn't mean I'm not a French fr/oss user :) Also note that people suffering from the situations are a lot more likely to do something and speak their mind than people perfectly happy with the situation. So probably "discussing" a problem is likely to only include opinion from people not happy with the current state, and people closely involved. > I realise there is a vocal minority that does not like some of those choices > but Just to be fair, I see *no one* else here arguing towards keeping right Ctrl Level5 modifier -- but sure, as I state above, people happy with it won't see the discussion or care, so it may be biased. > 1. the other alternatives used in the ancestors of this layout generated a > lot more hate mail If it broke people's apps (or apps broke with it, I don't care who's fault it is), I surely can understand people being angry. But similarly, since the change from this report broke people's right Ctrl key, I can understand they get angry. > 2. because I knew there was no choice everyone would like spacebar layout is > modular (and I'm the person who modularized it as part of the creation of > this layout). People can choose the previous behaviour if they want and a > few other possibilities were added as part of the modularization And we thank you for your work. But I don't think it's realistic to think everyone can "choose the previous behavior" if it means editing the keymap. I already said it, but it took me quite some time to find what caused my right Ctrl key to no longer work and fix it, and I think it's fair to consider myself a quite advanced user. If really reverting the addition of Level5 is not an option (but see below), please add an alternative layout. > 3. so far no one proposed any better option appart from removing symbols > which are necessary to write proper French (arguably proper French is not > the same as C code). The change in this particular report did not add or remove any symbol, it only moved one to Level5 because some apps couldn't handle <Ctrl>Space with this layout. And as I said earlier, most of the incriminated apps (at least that I know of) don't even use <Ctrl>Space anymore, rendering the change moot for them. And even if we wanted to please those apps, we mayb be able to without adding a new modifier (Level5) and a key for it -- again, see (comment #46). Also note that event though I admittedly don't use short-nbsp (I'm afraid I don't know the rules where this one should be used in French typography), I'm an heavy user of nbsp everywhere French typography tells me to do it. So no, I don't want to remove anything, don't worry -- but I'd like my right Ctrl key back :) > It's a lot easier to clamor for removal of the bits you > do not use than to try to design a general-purpose solution without cutting > corners It sure is, but although my nearly non-existent knowledge of keymaps may make my message somewhat irrelevant (e.g. I don't know how to apply my ideas), I investigated possible solutions in comment #46 -- although no one followed up on those. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu-X, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat Post to : ubuntu-x-swat@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
