From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: [abujaNig] Bring Amin back-UPC Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:44:55 -0400
Mwaami Musaazi
There is no body who will spend even a second of his time to make Museveni look bad. The man does it himself and he brags after wards. If you did not know that, wait you will get a personal example, same as Anne Mugisha got last week.
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" ----- Original Message ----- From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: ugnet_: [abujaNig] Bring Amin back-UPC
> Mulindwa you don't have to refer to my name you know if you are not ready
to
> spell it correctly....i'm getting the feeling that you guys actually
support
> Kony and his activities...anything that puts President Museveni in bad
light
> every crime, every robbery, every theft, every war in Africa...i'm sure
you
> can link him to the Liberian quagmire.....i'm waiting for you to also link
> him to alquaida and september 11.
> EMM
>
>
> >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: [abujaNig] Bring Amin back-UPC
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:30:43 -0400
> >
> >Eman'gueri
> >
> >But I totally agree with your stand. Konny must be stopped by all means.
> >
> >Having stated that why don't we tell him that stand? For Konny is in
State
> >House in Entebbe.
> >
> >Em
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:09 PM
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: [abujaNig] Bring Amin back-UPC
> >
> >
> > > You guys amaze me in your self-delusion...in your reasoning idi amin
was
> >a
> > > "president" who did nothing wrong because charges have not been
brought
> > > against him yet you are quick to blame President Museveni for all that
> >is
> > > going wrong in the north of Uganda....what bullshit. Let Kony stop his
> > > nonsense in northern Uganda and see whether there will be any fighting
> > > there. Besides this has nothing to do with tribes and i detest your
use
> >of
> > > vernacular in responding to me if you see everything in tribal terms i
> > > don't.....all Ugandans are concerned about what is going on in the
> > > north....people like Kony should be stopped...what do you want other
> > > Ugandans to do cut themselves with knives to prove to you that they
are
> > > concerned.....i don't get your point. It is obviously clear why your
> > > politics and the organizations you represent will never be taken
> >seriously,
> > > for you to come on a public forum such as this and say idi amin did
> >nothing
> > > wrong because he has never been charged and go further to proclaim
that
> >he
> > > is your hero and then move from there to say that you want to bring
> > > democracy to Uganda is realy a stretch...there is no way you can
compare
> >the
> > > present government in Uganda to idi amins regime except if like your
> >friend
> > > Mulindwa you are on dope. You guys think you are dealing with kids or
> > > unthinking people.......you are still playing the old politics of the
> >60's
> > > and 70's when your icon amin and cor were in power doing their mayhem
> >well
> >i
> > > suggest you wake up from your slamber 'cos those days are long
> >gone...you
> > > need to catch up with reality...you are the kind of people we need to
> >get
> > > out of politics in Uganda. We should comend our President, H.E. Yoweri
> > > Kaguta Museveni for the position he took about amin...the man ought to
> >pay
> > > for his crimes it is only right...for him to be pardoned and allowed
to
> >come
> > > back and be given a state funeral will be the greatest act of
disrespect
> > > that could be done to all those hundreds and thousands that he was
> > > responsible for their deaths.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: [abujaNig] Bring Amin back-UPC
> > > >Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:27:46 +0000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Mr Emmanuel Musaazi,
> > > >
> > > >Surely it is unacceptable for anybody to kill innocent Ugandans; and
if
> > > >President Idi Amin did this, he should face the law.
> > > >Some of us who love him so dearly demand no less than justice; to
> >either
> > > >convict him or clear his name.
> > > >
> > > >But then, what about all those killers now walking freely on the
> >streets
> >of
> > > >our country?
> > > >
> > > >Seriously, you have to be consistent and call for justice against all
> >these
> > > >butchers in Luweero, Northern Uganda, Rwanda, DRC, Teso etc....
> > > >
> > > >But sadly, many of our people close their eyes to holocausts like the
> >one
> > > >in Northern Uganda, and throw up arms saying "Kasita ffe twebaka ku
> >tulo".
> > > >
> > > >That is awful and evil.
> > > >
> > > >Mitayo Potosi
> > > >
> > > >>From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>Subject: Re: ugnet_: [abujaNig] Bring Amin back-UPC
> > > >>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:56:07 -0500
> > > >>
> > > >>Mulindwa as usual your logic defies reason....amin is responsible
for
> >the
> > > >>deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ugandans and plunging Uganda in
to
> > > >>chaos and mayhem on a scale hitherto unknown (which aparently you
> >don't
> > > >>disagree with) is what you are characterising as ONLY THOSE REASONS.
I
> > > >>don't understand how you reason man...and yet you come on to this
> >forum
> > > >>day and night blabbering about democracy....i question your
> >understanding
> > > >>of the word DEMOCRACY. Here is a man (amin) who was a dictator, a
> > > >>murderer, a sex maniac and a thief who should never even have been a
> >gate
> > > >>keeper at state house who committed horrendous crimes and you are
> > > >>shamelesly defending him...the man is a disgrace to our
> >Nation...anytime
> > > >>his name is mentioned on the media i feel so a shamed...now you are
> > > >>telling us that there was more justice when amin was in power than
> >now...i
> > > >>just hope people who log on to this medium are reading your postings
> >with
> > > >>some sense and noticing your contradictions and your apparent hidden
> > > >>agenda under the guise of bringing democracy to Uganda. Even the
> > > >>international community is aware of amins criminality if not the
whole
> > > >>world...the mans crimes were basically caught on tape...but of
course
> > > >>according to Mulindwa's theory of democracy amin is a patriotic
> >democratic
> > > >>leader who should be pardoned and given a state burial for the good
> >job
> >he
> > > >>did killing hundreds of thousands of Ugandans and for those Ugandans
> >who
> > > >>were victims of his brutality i guess in Mulindwa's mind it was
their
> > > >>fault and they deserved what they got. Shame on you...you are the
one
> >that
> > > >>is doping big time.
> > > >>EMM
> > > >>>our nation to the deplorable state it is in.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Now based on only those two reasons, you are trying to get justice
> >for
> > > >>>both
> > > >>>the dead Ugandans and the state which he destroyed.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>Subject: Re: ugnet_: [abujaNig] Bring Amin back-UPC
> > > >>>Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:15:39 -0400
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Mwaami Musaazi
> > > >>>
> > > >>>So help us to understand your reasoning here. And I am going to be
as
> > > >>>slow
> > > >>>as possible for may be you will be able to understand my question.
> >You
> > > >>>state
> > > >>>"Amin was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Ugandans, and
> >he
> > > >>>drove
> > > >>>our nation to the deplorable state it is in.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Now based on only those two reasons, you are trying to get justice
> >for
> > > >>>both
> > > >>>the dead Ugandans and the state which he destroyed.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Now do you think we should get Amin and hand him over to Yoweri
> >Museveni,
> > > >>>Kaziini, Otafiire, Ruhakana Rugunda, Mayombo and yes let me include
> >in
> >as
> > > >>>well Justice Odoki to charge him?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Musaazi have those people given you any indication that they care
> >when
> >a
> > > >>>Ugandan is killed by a government machinery or that they care about
> >the
> > > >>>development of the country?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Or as usual you are again back on cheap dope?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Em
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >>>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > >>> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >>>"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > >>>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:38 AM
> > > >>>Subject: Re: ugnet_: [abujaNig] Bring Amin back-UPC
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > Idi Amin must be allowed to return to Uganda alive on the
> >condition
> > > >>>that
> > > >>>he
> > > >>> > faces trial for the crimes that he commited directly or
indirectly
> >and
> > > >>>these
> > > >>> > crimes are well documented...infact i'm sure that most of the
> > > >>>witnesses to
> > > >>> > these crimes will still be alive aferall it's only thrity years
> >ago.
> > > >>>One
> > > >>>of
> > > >>> > the reasons why Africa is in a turmoil is because of our blatant
> > > >>>disregard
> > > >>> > for life this man (Amin) was responsible for the death of
> >thousands
> >of
> > > >>> > Ugandans and this is very recent history yet for political
reasons
> >you
> > > >>>are
> > > >>> > willing to spit on the graves of all those people....this is a
man
> >who
> > > >>>has
> > > >>> > been leaving comfortably in Saudi Arabia yet he is one of those
> > > >>>responsible
> > > >>> > for Ugandas present deplorable state....because of his policies
> > > >>>generations
> > > >>> > of Ugandans lost opportunities....he was responsible for
steering
> >an
> > > >>>infant
> > > >>> > country along slipery slope of destruction of course the rest is
> > > >>>history.
> > > >>>It
> > > >>> > would be a gross miscarriage of justice if for whatever reason
he
> >is
> > > >>>allowed
> > > >>> > to go scot free...a presidence must be set in Uganda and indeed
in
> > > >>>Africa
> > > >>> > that such behaviour as exemplified by Amin will not be
> > > >>>tolerated.....look
> > > >>>at
> > > >>> > how developed countries lament over the death of one of their
> >citizens
> > > >>>home
> > > >>> > or abroad...todate Isreal and indeed the western world is still
> > > >>>hunting
> > > >>>down
> > > >>> > Nazis yet in our case we are debating about whether or not to
> >pardon
> >a
> > > >>>man
> > > >>> > responsible for murdering thousands just 20-30 years ago it's a
> > > >>>shame...may
> > > >>> > God save us from our selves.
> > > >>> > EMM
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: [abujaNig] Bring Amin back-UPC
> > > >>> > >Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:04:08 -0400
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >Mwaami Matovu
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >You know when we are discussing matters of importance I fail to
> > > >>>understand
> > > >>> > >why you drag us through such nonsense. Past Leaders are already
> > > >>>returned
> > > >>>or
> > > >>> > >returning to Uganda, Ssabasajja Mutesa is in Uganda, Professor
> >Lule
> > > >>>is in
> > > >>> > >Uganda, Godfrey Binayisa is on Kampala road. In fact let me
tell
> >you
> > > >>>that
> > > >>>I
> > > >>> > >am one of those people who believe that president Obote wants
to
> >go
> > > >>>home
> > > >>>as
> > > >>> > >well, but Museveni has stated publicly that if he returns he
will
> > > >>>kill
> > > >>>him.
> > > >>> > >And this is the way Museveni plays politics by making issues
> > > >>>personal, a
> > > >>> > >good example is the expedited killing of Cossima Obura, and I
am
> >sure
> > > >>>you
> > > >>> > >know of their history.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >But just out of curiosity, how do you know that Obote does not
> >want
> > > >>>to
> > > >>> > >buried in Zambia?
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >Now on Mutesa you are not telling the truth, so I will remind
> >you.
> >At
> > > >>>the
> > > >>> > >death of the President, Uganda government offered to return the
> >body
> > > >>>to
> > > >>> > >Uganda, and you might have not known this for most likely you
> >were
> > > >>>not
> > > >>>born
> > > >>> > >yet. But Buganda leaders and Mengo leaders, refused the offer.
So
> >let
> > > >>>us
> > > >>> > >not
> > > >>> > >put Mengo confusion to the then Uganda government. And yes I
know
> >you
> > > >>>will
> > > >>> > >refuse that fact. So let me warn you that if you deny that
fact,
> >you
> > > >>>will
> > > >>> > >be
> > > >>> > >swamped with factual proofs, for History does not die that
fast.
> > > >>> > >Lastly your using the way Mutesa died to plant it on Obote is a
> >very
> > > >>> > >terrible disgrace, one wonders how much you can prove on all
> >those
> > > >>> > >statements. But you see Uganda issues any one can state what
> >he/she
> > > >>>likes
> > > >>> > >and that is your decision. But I will say this that during one
of
> >my
> > > >>>visits
> > > >>> > >in Uganda, I went to see one oldie Muganda woman, who wanted to
> >know
> > > >>>how
> > > >>>I
> > > >>> > >traveled from Canada to Uganda. The moment I told her that I
came
> > > >>>through
> > > >>> > >London, she became excited and took me for a private
discussion,
> >and
> > > >>>her
> > > >>> > >question was, "Did you get a chance to see Ssabasajja in
London?"
> >For
> > > >>>a
> > > >>> > >good
> > > >>> > >number of old Baganda actually believes that Mutesa is alive
and
> >in
> > > >>>London.
> > > >>> > >Now Matovu knows for a fact that Obote killed Mutesa. When will
> > > >>>living
> > > >>>into
> > > >>> > >illusion end in Buganda one must wonder.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >Em
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >>> > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > >>> > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >>> > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > >>> > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> > >From: "Lutimba Matovu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>> > >Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:56 PM
> > > >>> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: [abujaNig] Bring Amin back-UPC
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > > Mulindwa,
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > Its in UPC's interest for a precedent to be set for
> > > >>> > > > past leaders to be pardoned or returned for burial in
> > > >>> > > > Uganda.
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > Obote's years are numbered and he wouldn't want to be
> > > >>> > > > buried in Zambia.
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > Why is Obote's UPC advocating to return Amin when he
> > > >>> > > > didn't do so for the first Ugandan President whom he
> > > >>> > > > murdered? Mutesa was poisoned by Obote's agents and
> > > >>> > > > Obote blocked the return of his body for a decent
> > > >>> > > > burial despite the fact that he knew it was the wish
> > > >>> > > > of the people of Uganda.
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > The people of Uganda would rather have all these
> > > >>> > > > killers Obote and Amin buried in their exile homes.
> > > >>> > > > Its even better if their bodies were given to the
> > > >>> > > > wolves. If they return they should be tried and
> > > >>> > > > confined in prison.
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > The people of Uganda killed by Obote and Amin were not
> > > >>> > > > given any option of where they were buried. thousands
> > > >>> > > > were buried in mass graves or just left to rot and the
> > > >>> > > > legacy is there in the thousands of skulls in Luwero.
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > LM
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > --- Mulindwa Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > Bring Amin home - UPC
> > > >>> > > > > By Chris Obore
> > > >>> > > > > July 21, 2003 Monitor
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > The UPC wants the government to let former
> > > >>> > > > > President Idi Amin return home.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > The Uganda People's Congress, whose government
> > > >>> > > > > was deposed by Mr Amin in January 1971, says that it
> > > >>> > > > > would be wrong for President Yoweri Museveni to let
> > > >>> > > > > a former president die in exile without support.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > According to the UPC, Amin is a Ugandan
> > > >>> > > > > citizen, and the government has the responsibility
> > > >>> > > > > to look after him.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > Amin has lived in exile in Saudi Arabia since
> > > >>> > > > > he was overthrown in 1979.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > On Saturday, The Monitor broke a story that
> > > >>> > > > > the former head of state was ill and in coma at the
> > > >>> > > > > King Fahad Hospital in Riyadh.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > Mrs Nalongo Madina Amin told The Monitor that
> > > >>> > > > > she had asked President Museveni to allow her ailing
> > > >>> > > > > husband to return home.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > Mr Museveni reportedly answered that he would
> > > >>> > > > > instead arrest Amin the moment the former President
> > > >>> > > > > set foot on Ugandan soil.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > A government official has now indicated that
> > > >>> > > > > the family would be allowed to bring back the former
> > > >>> > > > > President's body if Amin were to die in exile.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > The UPC, whose own leader, Mr Milton Obote,
> > > >>> > > > > lives in exile in Zambia, sees it rather
> > > >>> > > > > differently.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > "Why should Museveni want to finish off a man
> > > >>> > > > > who is ailing? He is behaving like a witch," said Mr
> > > >>> > > > > Peter Walubiri, a member of the UPC's Presidential
> > > >>> > > > > Policy Commission.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > Walubiri said that Amin is a Ugandan who has
> > > >>> > > > > the right to be home.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > "Let him be allowed home. After he is well, we
> > > >>> > > > > can discuss the suspicion that he committed crimes.
> > > >>> > > > > The police and the DPP will take action," he said.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > Walubiri said that the duty of the government
> > > >>> > > > > is to care for all its citizens, including those in
> > > >>> > > > > prison.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > "For us in UPC we definitely have no love for
> > > >>> > > > > Amin, but we would not deny him the right to be a
> > > >>> > > > > citizen," he said.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > Walubiri said that Museveni should respect the
> > > >>> > > > > sanctity of life.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > The President has no moral authority to
> > > >>> > > > > condemn other people, Walubiri said; adding that
> > > >>> > > > > many people have died since 1972 because of
> > > >>> > > > > Museveni's activities.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > He did not elaborate.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > "Let Amin get investigated after treatment by
> > > >>> > > > > the state. If the UPC got back to power, we would
> > > >>> > > > > treat Museveni if he fell sick," the UPC official
> > > >>> > > > > said.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > President Museveni once said that he would
> > > >>> > > > > shoot dead Obote, if the twice-deposed former
> > > >>> > > > > President dared step on Ugandan soil again.
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > >
> > > >>> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > >>> > > > > removed]
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