Mr. Kipenji,
For some reason you message is rendered, in my browser, without nicities like paragraphs etc, making it hard to read.
Anyhow, sorting through the mumbo jumbo I can respond to some of what you wrote as follows.
No, I did not expect or "believe that the policy makers of DP would use the DP net to formulate their policies/manisfestos". However, I did expect some attempt to be made to disseminate such policies/manifestoes via the net. Obviously, I was mistaken.
Your reply on UPC being anti-Baganda is nearly incomprehensible. But I can assure that I am by no means the first to note it: political literature on Uganda is replete with it. So are newspapers of the time. Let me know ff you'd like me to quote chapter and verse.
As for "Buganda's expansionist" policy, I do not know what century you live in. We have no desire to add to Buganda's current geographical extent. And if history were meaningful to you, you'd surely have noted that the sun did not fall out of the sky when the so-called "Lost Counties" were peacefully handed back to the Great Kingdom of Bunyoro-Kitara.
However, the main intent of my post -- which seems to be lost on you -- was to say that the electorate is unlikely to be overly excited by those simply campaigning to gain the State House. A clear vision, gameplan, roadmap, or whatever you call it, for the country should be articulated. Implied was that if this were done, and such a plan followed, it really would not matter who occupied the presidency since that person would just be executing or actuating the plan/vision/roadmap/policy/manifesto.
ssemakula
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From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: ugnet_: No Ugandan Equals Museveni - Bukedde 21st October 2003
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:26:36 +0100 (BST)
Ssemakula,do you actually believe in this anachronism about the
Uganda political leanings that you are utttering here?.It befuddles me
that seemingly enlightened people like you can engage themselves
in such sophistry and expect to think others will take it for a fact.
One of the problems that enlightened neopoliticians in Uganda like
you and me,have found ourselves in is to assume that after sitting in
many lecture theatres in many ivory towers,we should be looked at
the alpha and the omega of political _expression_ in Uganda and if what
we think is not taken seriuosly by the ordinary Ugandan,then the political
groupings do not have a plan for Uganda.This, Mr. Ssemakula is absolute balderdash!
We have always had researchers of all shades and grades come up with
results of so called research/surveys about the trends regarding certain
issues pertaining to Uganda and have gotten many rebuttals just because they may have conducted grossly biased surveys.Now in your
mind,the question that you posed on the DP net and received deadened
silence,did you expect something otherwise?
Do you believe that the policy makers of DP would use the DP net to formulate their policies/manisfestos?.If you thought so,then you should be living in Hollywood.
On UPC being an anti-Buganda party,I think you seriuosly need to revise
you political history and you will then come and tell us how Mr Ssemakula can go ahead to found a party that turns around to hate Ssemakula.Is that not a contradiction in adjunction,akin to an oxymoron?
For purposes of our debate lets take you view point that UPC is anti-
Buganda notwithstanding her pedigree,why would UPC turn around and
hate Buganda?
Neo-Buganda Politicians like you have oftentimes recycled the recital of
UPC having abolished the Buganda Monarchy hence its distaste for UPC.If you critique that reasoning,you will come to thank UPC that it did
so in 1966/1967,so that today in 2003,you still have a pale shadow of the
former Buganda Monarchy for with the expensionist policy that Buganda
was hellbent on pursuing as evidenced by the so called lost counties and
the anti catholic stance of its catholic members,it would have been fractured by its own internal forces before long and may be today you would be negotiating with those forces that conquered Buganda and occupied it for your freedoms.This is what befell Nazi Germany following
their defeat by the allied forces.It took West Germany a lot of cajoling
and buying the support of Russia which they are still doing to this day,to
regain their reunification.
History is replete with many such accounts of once mighty Empires,Kingdoms,Chieftains and Kingdoms who fell when they were at
their strongest point and I do not think Buganda would have and is any
different unless ofcourse it is the only Kingdom that has ever existed in
the planet Pluto.
Societies and people change and I expect people like you to be ready to
embrace these changes so that they are in tandem with them and be able to preserve what they believe is fundamental to their very existance
and not to recourse to obscurantism and hate mongering based on paranoid ideologies.
Post Mu7 Uganda will be no different from post Moi Kenya and that is what seriuos political analysts should be understudying and not uttering
sophistries that you and your gang has been involved in since Mu7 took
power in Uganda.What is your take on this,if a vehicle skids off a road at
some point,probably the drive is at fault.Would still go on and fault the driver if several other vehicles probably of the same make and model skidded off at the same spot on the same road?
Thank you.
Akuume.
Kipenji.
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Ssemakula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
It is easy to dismiss what any of Mu7's ministers say as psycophat-talk. However, there is a germ of truth in what some have to say.
A while ago I posed a question on DP_Net, something like: what are the core beliefs of DP and what are its policies (a.k.a. manifesto) -- in the sence that when one says s/he is a Republican you can pretty much know they are pro- low-taxes, small govt, guns, anti-welfare (for the poor), anti-abortionist, etc. The silence was deafening!
If one asked what do the Baganda want, the answer is simple: Federo and Ebyaffe (never-mind that many non-Baganda are clueless as to what this is).
If one posed the same question to UPC, their answer is simple: they are-anti-Baganda, though they would beat around the bush and put it in what they percieve to be 'politacally correct' phraseology. Ironically, in Obote I, UPC pretty much crumbled under its own weight. Once they "won" -- by sending Ssekabaka Muteesa I into exile, they quickly found that they had nothing more in common other than their hatred of the Baganda, neither did Obote have vision for the party. Ibingira says this in his book African Upheavals After Independence, but perhaps not so directly, and I think others have said so too elsewhere.
Anyhow, the point is: a simple, direct message appeals to the electorate and can be useful in defining and advancing a party's position.
Simply vying for the presidency is (politically) boring.
Now, what party will step up top the plate at this very opportune point and articulate their position is simple terms that a layman can understand?
Or, should we take it that none exist -- especially since what the minister has said was said by Mu7 not too long ago?
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Subject: Re: ugnet_: No Ugandan Equals Museveni - Bukedde 21st October 2003
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:37:33 +0100 (BST)
Treat this balderdash from Mwesigwa Rukutana just as that.In the run
up to the CA elections this same idiot was elected on a multiparty ticket
before he like many others made an about turn as delegates to go with
the Movement.
That he even has the audacity to categorically state what I believe will
not be a "misquote" in his defence,to utter such statements is in a way
a measure of how deep the depravation of competing political opinions in
Uganda during Mu7's junta regime can make people accomplished sycophants.
We are going to see many of these Saul turned Paul dyed in movementists utter even more outrageous statements like there will
be no sun shine or rain in Uganda if Mu7 is not around.They are actually playing Mu7's game plan since they are now his barking dogs.
This is the same sycophancy which was very prevalent in Kenya during the Moi Nyayo era,so lets' keep our ears to the ground to hear what
Mwesigwa Rukutana will say when Ugandans a trillion times more competent than his murderer take over through a democratic election.
Thank you.
Kipenji.
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Omar Kezimbira wrote:
No Ugandan Equals Museveni - Bukedde 21st October 2003
The Minister of State for Finance Mr. Mwesigwa Rukutana has compared multipartists fighting against the 3rd-term to witches bewitching the country so that it does not develop.
The minister said this while officiating at a function marking the World Food Day at Kiwaguzi agricultural school, Lwanda county, Rakai district where he represented the Minister of Finance Gerald Sendaula.
'Multipartists have made us fail to progress as they are always bogged with eyes just set on the presidential seat', the minister was quoted as saying.
He added that in there is nobody in Uganda with the competence to replace Museveni and called on those pushing him to abandon the presidential seat to immediately stop it.
The Chairman of Rakai district, Mr. Vincent Ssemakula, also supported the minister with an emphasis that the people of Rakai see no other person capable of leading Uganda apart from President Museveni.
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�Tewali atuuka Museveni� - Bukedde 21/10/2003
Rukutana (ku kkono) ne Ssentebe wa Rakai, Mw. Ssemakula.
Bya Ali Mambule
MINISITA w�Eggwanga akola ku byensimbi Mwesigwa Rukutana abeebibiina abalwanyisa ekisanja ekyokusatu abageerageranyiza ku basezi abasera eggwanga lireme kukulaakulana.
Minisita yabadde ku mukolo gw�okukuza olunaku lw�emmere mu nsi yonna aba Disitulikiti y�e Rakai gwe baakulizza ku ssomero ly�ebyobulimi e Kiwaguzi mu ggombolola y�e Lwanda gye yabadde omugenyi omukulu ng�akiikiridde minisita w�ebyensimbi Gerald Sendaula.
�Abeebibiina be batulemesezza okugenda mu maaso nga batukunamira buli kiseera nga batunuulidde entebe y�omukulembeze w�eggwanga,� bwe yagambye.
Yagasseeko nti mu Uganda tewannabaawo muntu alina busobozi kuddira Museveni mu bigere era n�asaba abamusindiikiriza okuva mu ntebe bakikomye mangu.
Ssentebe wa disitulikiti y�e Rakai Vincent Ssemakula naye yawagidde minisita n�a-kkaatiriza nti ab�e Rakai tebalaba muntu yenna ayinza kubeera pulezidenti wa Uganda okuggyako Museveni.
Published on: Tuesday, 21st October, 2003
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