Mwaami Musaazi
No again you are failing to present the facts as they are.
For the record I have not refused to say anything wrong on the atrocities
committed by UPC and Obote. What many Ugandans have done in these forums is
to accuse and counter accuse. They and including you, spend all their time
accusing by making blanket statements, statements that can not be backed up
factually. I do not do that, in fact if you are careful you will notice that
I only post incidents I can back up.
But let me go back to your accusation about UPC and Obote for it is a
revolving door we have accepted to live in for the rest of our entire lives.
In the lives of Ugandans there was never a historical worst time than Luwero
District under UPC 2, this is a period that has been in all our minds, up
and untill when Museveni and your Movement came to power and you created the
agenda of making sure that Northern Uganda gets extinct. As a Luwerorian, I
need nothing better than knowing who killed our people in Luwero District.
Was it NRA or UNLA? I do not know. So since Obote and UPC are no longer in
power, can NRM allow us as Luwerorians have a public and Internationally
monitored inquirely so that the public can come in and give evidence, so
that we can know who killed our people? And if it was UPC as a party we have
a right to know. To every body's surprise NRM does not want to effect that.
So couple of things come up, is NRM scared for such an inquirely will make
NRA's murders public or NRM knows that Paul Muwanga was let go for he was an
innocent man and all murders were committed by NRA? mwaami Musaazi How can I
state the atrocities committed by UPC when Uganda government failed to find
out even a single case to charge Paul Muwanga, a man who was not only a Vice
President but a Minister of defence too?
Oh I see you just want me to come into a forum and accuse UPC and Obote for
crimes committed to the people of Uganda, for it is an accepted Lugaambo,
much as it is accepted that Obote poisoned Muteesa? No I am sorry I go with
the facts and facts alone, and that is the difference between me and you who
has become a Wimp.
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: AGOA girls sleep at Parliament
> Mulindwa, you come onto this medium, decieving poeple that you are
neutral,
> yet you have never said anything about the atrocities commited by UPC and
> Obote. Even in Amin's case, you relucatantly accept that he was
responsible
> for the murder of thousands of Ugandans, yet you are able to recount
> (without any evidence) "atrocities" of the present government. You are
only
> decieving yourself....as for the Dr., unlike you, he is probably in Uganda
> prospering,...while you linger in "slavery" abroad, on self imposed exile.
>
>
> >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: ugnet_: AGOA girls sleep at Parliament
> >Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:41:42 -0400
> >
> >Netters
> >
> >There are issues that we must never forget, but I happened to be Brussels
> >in
> >the early years of Museveni, and I mate this "very educated" Ugandan who
> >had
> >a PHD from a recognised University in London. This same fellow was very
out
> >standing on Ugandanet at the time. Barely 5 minutes I introduced my self
as
> >a Ugandan, He started on me, Eh Munange omanyi Uganda kati eteredde, and
I
> >wanted to know where he based that conclusion, for at that time I had the
> >Luwero atrocities, committed by NRM still very vivid in my head. I still
> >knew some prominent faces of Moslems who were killed in Fort Portal,
Kasese
> >Lake Katwe by Museveni during the 1979 war, I knew very clearly how
> >Museveni
> >was a killer for the man authorized publicly to put the Baganda boys who
> >had
> >stolen "Amenvu" for they were hungry and in the Bush, on firing squad .
So
> >I
> >had a good and vivid knowledge of brutal action/s done by the people
coming
> >to power. So I had to ask this Ugandan why Uganda has got the best
> >leadership at that time.
> >He responded " Haven't you heard? Museveni is a very brilliant man, who
has
> >even started a new foreign trade, I mean look here Obote was silly, if we
> >need medicine and Cuba needs beans why do we have to send our dollars to
> >Cuba? We are going to exchange these beans for the medicine and we both
> >will
> >end up happy, and that will cut Uganda's foreign debt in half, in six
> >months"
> >Wow!! I looked at this man who failed to use his education to know that
> >putting Uganda on barter trade was sinking the nation to 100 years in
> >reverse. How did a man like Mulindwa who has no PHD "Thank God" know that
> >this was a disaster and our fellow's PHD did not show this to him? But
come
> >to think about it, Uganda has the most degree ministers, so why wonder?
> >
> >The danger we have as Ugandans is that we do not have the ability to ask
> >these Ugandas how the system works today, for they just disappear. This
> >fellow today has not posted a dam word on Ugandanet for more than 10
years.
> >But he praised Batter trade and fought for it and publicly. Come on in
and
> >fight for it today, that is all I am asking for. And not only him, but
who
> >knew in the wildest dream that Dr. Muniini Mulera will stand up on his
two
> >feet and criticize the NRM government? Did you ever think about that? How
> >many Ugandans did he call names in this very forum for they are not
> >focused?
> >How many Ugandans tried their best to tell him that we have the worst
> >government in our country? But we are not supposed to ask Mulera why he
> >supported this killer regime, we must just accept what he stands for
today
> >and support The reform Agenda!!
> >Ugandans there are those of us who take stands not for we oppose a
sitting
> >government, not for we support a fallen government, but we do so knowing
> >that a government has done wrong, and we have no self interest in
fighting
> >for that wrong government policy. A policy we know so well that it will
> >bite
> >our nation in the ass. That is why I was among the very first Ugandan to
> >refuse a job with the NRM government. Again it is a stand I will live
with.
> >
> >Let us be very careful with Ugandans like Emanuel Musaazi. The Ugandans
who
> >pop up today and praise Uganda Government, untill when the actions of
this
> >government attacks their own families and then they pop back in their
> >holes.
> >What happened to Dr Muniini Mulera? Think about him as you are thinking
> >about Ugandans like Chris Opoka-Okumu, a Ugandan who said the same thing
in
> >late 80's to today. For that is a sign of character. Be very careful with
> >Ugandans like Emanuel Musaazi for we have seen a whole bunch. Haven't we?
> >
> >Be well
> >Em
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:09 PM
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: AGOA girls sleep at Parliament
> >
> >
> > > Opoka Okumu, throws the word slavery around, stupidly, as if it is a
> > > complement. You should also know that Uganda and Ugandans are
benefiting
> >and
> > > have benefited from similar investment programs (and they are
numerous),
> > > specifically targated for developing countries, such as India, Kenya,
> >South
> > > Korea, China, Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, Ghana, South Africa, Zimbabwe
> >etc.
> >So
> > > Mr. Opoka as you can see "SLAVERY" exists in the WHOLE THIRD WORLD
> >(WELCOME
> > > TO THE REAL WORLD).
> > >
> > > For your information the use of cheap labour by developing countries
to
> > > produce goods and services is not just starting in Uganda infact this
> >same
> > > philosophy has been the foundation and/or spring board for emerging
> >economic
> > > powers such as China, Taiwan, Korea, Brazil, India, Pakistan etc. If
you
> >are
> > > suggesting that Uganda should reject all such opportunities because it
> >is
> > > "slavery" then you are stupidier than the message in your postings. I
> >just
> > > pray that it is only us Ugandans that are exposed to the foolishness
you
> >are
> > > posting (at least we are family and can bare the shame) otherwise you
> >are
> > > disgracing all Ugandans....I MEAN.., YOU ARE COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF
> >WORLD
> > > ECONOMIC TRENDS, A COUNTRY LIKE UGANDA DOES NOT HAVE THE LUXURY OF
> > > ARROGANTLY DICTATING TO INVESTORS, THAT ALL HER WORKERS SHOULD BE PAID
> > > US$100PERDAY, WHEN COUNTRIES LIKE CHINA ARE LINING UP(AND LOBBYING
HARD)
> >TO
> > > DO THE SAME JOBS THESE "AGOA GIRLS" HAD FOR MUCH LESS. REMEMBER THAT
> >THESE
> > > JOBS WERE ALREADY TAKEN UP BY OTHER COUNTRIES AND IT WAS AS A RESULT
OF
> > > DIPLOMACY AND PRESSURE FROM THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES (IN WHICH PRESIDENT
> > > MUSEVENI PLAYED A PIVOTAL ROLE) THAT CONCESSIONS WERE MADE TO ALLOW
SOME
> >OF
> > > THESE JOBS TO COME TO AFRICA, THROUGH AGOA. SO IT IS NOT AS IF THE
JOBS
> >CAME
> > > TO UGANDA BECAUSE UGANDA IS SO SPECIAL AND THE JOBS CAN'T BE DONE
> >ANYWHERE
> > > ELSE.
> > >
> > > President Museven has no blame whatsoever in this. The blame falls
> >squarely
> > > on the so called "Agoa girls", had they done what they did, in
developed
> > > countries such as Britain, US, or Canada, many (if not all of them)
> >would
> >be
> > > in prison today. The Ugandan authorities have been TOO LINIENT WITH
THEM
> >AND
> > > YOU ON THIS MEDIUM WHO LIVE IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES KNOW WHAT I'M
TALKING
> > > ABOUT. PUBLIC DISORDER, THREATENING ARSON AND RESISTING ARREST
> >ETC...COME
> > > ON.
> > >
> > > No body is saying that the "Agoa girls" had no right to ask for
> >improvements
> > > in their conditions of service the issue here is the way they did it.
> >There
> > > are procedures for negotiating with employers, Mr. Opoka for your
> > > information Uganda also has labour laws and the Agoa girls should have
> >gone
> > > about this the proper way. Even if they had finally decided to strike
to
> > > show their dissatisfaction, they ought to still have gone about the
> >right
> > > way.
> > >
> > > Finaly the reason why America and other industrialized countries
> >out-source
> > > labour, in the first place, is because it is CHEAP otherwise they
> >wouldn't
> > > bother. SO THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING NICE AND KIND TO ANYBODY,
> >IT
> > > HAS TO DO WITH ECONOMICS AND ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH
MONEY....TRUST
> >ME
> > > IT IS ALWAYS CUT THROAT. BOTTOM LINE, THIRD WORLD NEEDS THE "JOBS AND
> >THE
> > > LITTLE MONEY", AMERICA NEEDS THE "CHEAP LABOUR IN ORDER TO MAKE BIG
> >MONEY"
> > > (DON'T FORGET THAT AMERICANS WANT THE JOBS TOO BUT THEY ARE TOO
> >EXPENSIVE)
> > > SO ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BARGAINING TABLE, TRADEOFFS HAVE TO BE MADE,
> >BUT
> > > THERE IS A SAYING THAT "HE WHO PAYS THE PIPER DICTATES THE TUNE" MR.
> >OPOKA
> > > YOU FIGURE THAT OUT (I HOPE YOU CAN).
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Chris Opoka-Okumu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: "Clement Okurut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: ugnet_: Re: AGOA girls sleep at Parliament
> > > >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:44:32 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Jack & Okurut,
> > > >
> > > >The AGOA thing is proving as half baked and not well thought as the
> >UPE,
> >
> > > >as half baked and not well thought out as the bankrupt the barter
trade
> > > >ideas . The so called "modernizing and transforming" President is
> > > >modernizing slavery and transforming the art of prostration before
the
> > > >West. Notice how mere AGOA managers have dismissed the Ministers
> >concerned
> > > >and can only deal with the President. Notice how the police is being
> >abused
> > > > and used as attack dogs to intimidate Uganda citizens in purely
civil
> > > >matters and to shelter private foreign investors from legal labour
> >action.
> > > >
> > > >COO .
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Clement Okurut
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
;
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:52 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: AGOA girls sleep at Parliament
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jack:
> > > >
> > > > Under normal circmstances, the North American markets are
sensitive
> >to
> > > >abuse of labourers. The blue eyed (favorite son of the wazungu) might
> > > >escape the wrath of the consumers in the short-term, but their sins
> >might
> > > >catch up with them in the long-run.
> > > >
> > > > Ok.
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>
> > > >
> > > > >"Kananathan was unavailable for comment, as was Bitangaro. Ms
Mary
> > > >Okurut, the presidential spokeswoman, said State House has been too
> >busy
> > > >making preparations for the on-going Inter-Governmental Authority on
> > > >Development summit to think about the Agoa crisis.
> > > > >
> > > > >"I can't talk about that now, we are having visiting Presidents
so
> >it
> > > >is a bad time," she said.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Eh a little spin like 'It is a god time to bury bad news" could
do!
> > > > >JSA
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Chris Opoka-Okumu
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:14 AM
> > > > > Subject: AGOA girls sleep at Parliament
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The Monitor
> > > > > October 24, 2003
> > > > > Agoa girls sleep at Parliament
> > > > > By Our Reporters
> > > > > Oct 24, 2003
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ** Tri-Star shuts out ministers
> > > > > ** High Court stops sackings
> > > > >
> > > > > KAMPALA - More than 200 female workers at a local textile firm
who
> > > >were sacked on Wednesday spent the night at Parliament yesterday, and
> >vowed
> > > >not to leave until their problems are solved.
> > > > >
> > > > > The young women (popularly referred to as Agoa girls), who spoke
> >to
> > > >The Monitor by phone, said they were going to sleep on chairs in the
TV
> > > >room in Parliament buildings.
> > > > >
> > > > > MPs were by press time organising food for the girls and a place
> >to
> > > >bathe.
> > > > > The girls went on strike on Monday, protesting low pay and poor
> > > >working conditions, before barricading themselves inside their
> >dormitories
> > > >the following day.
> > > > >
> > > > > The strike was ended on Tuesday afternoon after anti-riot police
> >led
> > > >by the Inspector General of Police, Maj. Gen. Katumba Wamala, broke
> >into
> > > >the dormitories.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, a meeting between the management of the textile firm,
> > > >Apparels Tri-Star, and labour officials fell through before the
textile
> > > >bosses announced that they were sacking all their production staff.
> > > > >
> > > > > The company employs more than 1,000 girls. A law firm working
for
> >the
> > > >workers successfully applied for a court injunction yesterday
stopping
> >the
> > > >dismissals.
> > > > > Justice Okumu Wengi of the High Court issued the injunction.
> > > > >
> > > > > It followed an application filed by one of the girls, Ms Zauja
> > > >Biryeri, as well as Uganda Textile, Garments, Leather & Allied
Workers
> > > >Union together with the National Organisation of Trade Unions, Notu.
> > > > >
> > > > > The application was lodged through Barya, Byamugisha & Co.
> >Advocates.
> > > >The order restrains the company from sacking the girls without paying
> >all
> > > >their dues, benefits and repatriation costs.
> > > > >
> > > > > It also stops the sackings until a separate civil suit filed
> >yesterday
> > > >by the girls against the company is disposed of.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the civil suit, the girls want to be paid, among others,
> >overtime
> > > >allowances which they say accrues from working 13, instead of the
> >legally
> > > >accepted 8-hour days.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, policemen deployed at the Tri-Star factory in Bugolobi,
> > > >Kampala, stopped Workers MP Bruno Pajobo from delivering the
injunction
> >to
> > > >the Tri-Star boss, Mr V. Kananathan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Efforts by several senior government officials to speak to the
> > > >Tri-Star management were in vain.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Sam Bitangaro, the state minister for Gender, Labour and
Social
> > > >Development, tried unsuccessfully to speak to Kananathan. Government
> > > >officials who declined to be named in this report said the matter was
> > > >passed on to Prime Minister Apolo Nsibambi, but that he, too, had
> >failed
> >to
> > > >resolve the impasse - with the textile managers reportedly claiming
> >that
> > > >they would only speak to President Yoweri Museveni, who helped them
set
> >up
> > > >shop.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kananathan was unavailable for comment, as was Bitangaro. Ms
Mary
> > > >Okurut, the presidential spokeswoman, said State House has been too
> >busy
> > > >making preparations for the on-going Inter-Governmental Authority on
> > > >Development summit to think about the Agoa crisis.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I can't talk about that now, we are having visiting Presidents
so
> >it
> > > >is a bad time," she said.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the girls realised that they were not going to be let back
> >into
> > > >the factory, they marched to Parliament in the afternoon and camped
in
> >the
> > > >gardens.
> > > > >
> > > > > Matembe speaks
> > > > >
> > > > > They were met there by another Workers MP, Mr Martin Wandera -
> >with
> > > >many of them either sobbing or wiping tears.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wandera told the girls to remain calm while they tried to solve
> >the
> > > >matter with the Labour ministry.
> > > > >
> > > > > Shortly after, outspoken women rights activist and former
minister
> >of
> > > >Ethics and Integrity, Ms Miria Matembe, arrived and advised the girls
> >to
> > > >seek audience with either the President's Office or those who
recruited
> > > >them.
> > > > >
> > > > > "There must be a better way of sending you away; do they expect
> >you
> >to
> > > >go sell yourselves on the streets?" Matembe said. "Go back to the
> >factory
> > > >and only leave on instructions of the President like you came."
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Aggrey Awori, the MP for Samia Bugwe North, who also spoke to
> >the
> > > >girls, told them where to vent their anger.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Do you know your President?" he asked. "Yes," they chorused.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Then where does he work?" he added, drawing murmurs from the
> >girls.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Do you see that building?" he asked, pointing to one of the
wings
> >of
> > > >Parliament, where Mr Museveni has an office. "Yes," they chorused
> >again.
> > > > >
> > > > > "That's where he works; go there and ask him why he brought
you."
> > > > > By press time last night, the girls were still camped at
> >Parliament
> > > >and had vowed not to leave.
> > > > >
> > > > > MP Pajobo told The Monitor last evening that he, and his
> >colleagues,
> > > >would camp with the girls throughout the night.
> > > > >
> > > > > Officials comment
> > > > >
> > > > > Two senior officials on Agoa were divided over the way forward
in
> >the
> > > >matter.
> > > > > The Presidential Assistant on Agoa, Ms Susan Muhwezi, who
revealed
> > > >that Tri-Star has been receiving about $200,000 (Shs 400 million) a
> >week
> > > >from its exports, said the girls were free to go.
> > > > >
> > > > > "We gave them the skills and it's a free market; they can walk
out
> >and
> > > >go elsewhere if they are not satisfied," she said.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the Senior Presidential Adviser on Agoa, Mr Onegi Obel,
warned
> > > >that Tri-Star would be punished if investigations find the firm at
> >fault.
> > > >"What I see today with the strikes is a case of poor management of
> >human
> > > >resource," he said.
> > > > > He promised to do everything within his means to ensure that the
> >girls
> > > >are reinstated and their grievances settled.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reported by Simon Kasyate,
> > > > > Lominda Afedraru, Alex B. Atuhaire & Henry Ssali
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > © 2003 The Monitor Publications
> > > > >
> > > >
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