Mitayo,
That is why i put that question to Ochan. I also higly doubt that one can change his views just like that. We had running battles with Otto about M/ and what he stands for and i tell you, i have never come accross anyone who believed in the goodness and wisdom of M7 like Dr.Otto did(does)!
Can leopards change their spots? May be. But i would love to hear Dr. Otto's new changed views and why or the reasons for this change. Has M7 suddenly turned evil or has he always been M7 the gun man? This is the question i would like Otto to answer and tell me and Ugandans he heaped abuse on here on Ugnet!
That guy was more NRM than the Rwakitura boys all rolled into one! Otto!..I doubt he can change.
Rgds
Gook
“The strategy of the guerilla struggle was to cause maximum chaos and destruction in order to render the government of the day very unpopular”
Lt. Gen. Kaguta Museveni (Leader of the NRA guerilla army in Luwero)
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From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: ugnet_: interesting view of a northern Ugandan
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:40:34 +0000
Musaazi always purports to speak for 'Baganda'. Anybody should know that that is not possible, as there are as many views as people, in any tribe.
But funny enough, Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>decided to always go toe to toe with Musaazi in these meaningless 'discussions' with all those suspect underlying assumptions.
Working from the same crazy premises as when Musazi claims to speak for Baganda, now brother Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>has taken it on himself to speak for Dr Otto.
Can Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>really prove that so and so have changed their outlook and relation to the m7 junta?
I am afraid all of us and our people will continue to suffer unless we smarten up!!
Mitayo Potosi
>From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ugnet_: interesting view of a northern Ugandan
>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:38:03 -0800
>
>Gook:
>
>The answer is NO. It was cheap for Musaazi to use this 1996 article
>deliberately out of context and without shame.
>
>Ochan
>
>At 03:18 PM 3/13/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>>Ochan,
>>
>>I remember this article well when Otto first posted it. Does he
>>still hold this view?
>>
>>rgds
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Gook
>>
>>"The strategy of the guerilla struggle was to cause maximum chaos
>>and destruction in order to render the government of the day very
>>unpopular"
>>Lt. Gen. Kaguta Museveni (Leader of the NRA gu erilla army in
>>Luwero)
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: Ochan Otim
>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: ugnet_: interesting view of a northern Ugandan
>>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:17:13 -0800
>>
>>Notice that this posting avoids - deliberately or not - giving the
>>date when this old material was written and first made public!! To
>>me it tells a lot about the intention of the messenger.
>>
>>Ochan Otim
>>
>>
>>At 02:54 PM 3/12/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Underdevelopment in NorthernUganda
>> >George Otto
>> >Fellow Ugandans,
>> >
>> >I once more thank all of you who have continued to show interest
>>in
>> >the recent events in the northern part of our country.
>> > ;
>> >I have noticed in some recent postings that the issue of
>> >underdevelopment in Northern Uganda keeps recurring. It has been
>> >given as one of the possible reasons for the insurgency in
>>northern
>> >Uganda. I have chosen to once again "stick out my neck" and share
>> >with my fellow Ugandans my views about this subject.
>> >
>> >There is no doubt that Gulu and Kitgum districts have not enjoyed
>> >the same level of economic progress like some other regions of
>> >Uganda have ever since independence; and probably before.
>> >
>> >While there are many reasons for this, I want to submit to you
>>all
>> >that in my opinion, the single largest reason for this sorry
>>state
>> >of affairs over the last ten years is the INSECURITY IN THE
>>REGION.
>> >A ttempts to assist economic development in both the public and
>> >private sectors have either failed or stalled because of
>>insecurity
>> >in the region. The following examples illustrate this point.
>> >
>> >PUBLIC SECTOR
>> >
>> >A few years ago, the present government of Uganda initiated the
>> >Northern Uganda Reconstruction Programme (NURP). This was to to
>>be
>> >the la rgest single public reconstruction project ever in Ugand
>> >Funding was secured from the donor community to the tune of about
>> >100 million US $. An Acholi professional (Dr. Okech) was
>>appointed
>> >to be the Director of this programme. The plan was to
>>rehabilitate
>> >roads, water supply, electricity, hospitals, health centres and
>> >dispensaries, schools, etc.
>> >
> > >When Dr. Okech (who had been recruited from outside Uganda) went
>>to
>> >take up his office in Gulu, he was scared by the activities of
>>the
>> >rebels. He therefore decided to set up office in Kampala
>> >temporarily. They are still bogged down in Kampala; unable to
>>start
>> >the real work in Gulu because of the persistent insecurity.
>> >
>> >Many people in Uganda, including some in cabinet, have been
>>saying
>> >that if the north cannot get their act together, then the project
>> >should be re-assigned to other areas. I am told that the Presid
>>ent
>> >is refusing to reassign the project to other regions. I am sure
>>that
>> >if he were to do so, he would be accused of diverting development
>> >elsewhere.
>> >
>> >In this case, thos e of Kony are the ones who have up to now
>> >prevented this programme from taking off. In their minds and that
>>of
>> >their supporters, they are proud to have embarrassed the
>>Government
>> >of Uganda. What they do not realise is that they have denied a
>>whole
>> >region some economic hope. Then they turn around and blame the
>> >government for marginalising their people, for taking development
>> >elsewhere,etc. In this case, who has really hurt the people of
>> >northern Uganda?
>> >
>> >In spite of all these, some things have been done. The roads have
>> >been repaired in both Gulu and Kitgum districts. For example, the
>> >road from Gulu to Moroto, which had deteriorated in the eighties
>>,
>> >has been repaired. Bus serv ice from Gulu to Moroto is now
>>possible.
>> >In my own village, we now have more water than we have ever had.
>>A
>>t;new health centre is under construction; financed partly
>>privately
>> >and partly by Government. Even communication has improved. In the
>> >trading centres, you can now go and make a radio call to Kampala
>> >(for a fee) and contact your relatives in Kampala, Jinja, etc.
>> >Recently the TV transmitter in Lira was repaired after 17 years;
>>the
>> >people of Lira can now receive Uganda Television. Electricity
>>from
>> >Jinja is being extended from Lira to Kitgum. The railway line to
>> >Gulu and Pakwach is operational. Telephone service to Gulu has
>>been
>> >improved so that one can phone Gulu easily. A public fax in Gulu
>> >allows people there to send faxes and receive faxes worlwide. A
>>new >> >University for Agriculture and Food Sciences is to open in Gulu
>>soon
>> >with the help of American funding.
>> > < BR>>PRIVATE SECTOR
>> >
>> >In the new Uganda, the stimulus and engine of economic growth is
>> >private-sector investment. As you know, Government is trying to
>>get
>> >out of doing business; something which in my opinion is long
>> >overdue.
>> >
>> >The economic growth that the southern and western parts of the
>> >country have experienced in the last ten years have mostly been
>>as a
>> >result of private investments. Contrary to what some people
>>believe,
>> >the majority of the investments have been from Ugandans. If you
>>look
>> >at the list of projects that have been licensed by the Uganda
>> >Inve stment Authority and are operational in Uganda today, the
>> >majority are Ugandan owned. The factories and buildings are
>> >definitely not government owned.The government did not give these
>> >buildings and factories to people in the south and west. These
>> >people worked hard and built them. Incidentally, so me of these
>> >factories in the south are owned by northerners like Cecilia
>>Ogwal,
>> >the UPC iron-lady.
>> >
>> >The question then arises as to why Northern Uganda h not
>>attracted
>> >as many private investors as Kampala, Jinja, Mukono, Entebbe,
>> >Mbarara etc.?
>> >
>> >One of the major reasons is the insecurity which has plagued our
>> >region for the past decade. This is in spite of some incentives
>>that
>> >the Uganda Investment Authority has pu t in place to encourage
>> >development in the north. For example, if you set up a factory in
>> >northern Uganda, you get a bigger tax break, you get subsidised
>> >interest rates (if you borrow some of the money).
>> >
>> >The same incentives apply to Mbarara, Kabale, Fort Portal etc. So
>>it
>> >is not correct to say that the Government has favoured other
>>areas
>> >more than others. It is the private investors who have chosen to
>> >invest their money in safer areas. The chairman of Northern
>>Uganda
>> >Manufacurers' Association , for example, has built his factory in
>> >Kampala instead of the north to avoid the insecurity.
>> >
>> >Even when patriotic northerners have attempted to invest in the
>> >north, they have had to pull out because of the same problem of
>&g t; >insecurity.
>> >
>> >The case of Vitafoam Uganda Limited illustrates the point I'm
>>making
>> >above. Vitafoam, based in Jinja, is the largest and oldest
>> >manufacturer of foam mattresses in Uganda. The owners are from
>>Gulu
>> >and Kitgum districts. A few years ago they decided to set up
>>another
>> >factory in Gulu to try and take development home. Funding was
>> >obtained and the factory installed in Gulu. Soon after the
>>factory
>> >started manufacturing in Gulu, Kony an his predecessors started
>> >terrorising the district. Mattresses could not be delivered to
>>other
>> >parts of the country relia bly. There were so many problems as a
>> >result of the insecurity that the owners decided to uproot the
>> >factory and put it in Jinja. Today, the two factoi es run side by
>> >side in Jinja.
>> >
>> >Now if even northerners wh have the money to invest are afraid to
>> >invest there, how can we expect people from other parts of Uganda
>>to
>> >go and invest their hard-earned money there? We cannot surely
>>expect
>> >the Government to force investors to come to northern Uganda.
>> >
>> >On a smaller scale, there are many northerners who have in the
>>last
>> >few years built houses in the Kampala area because they are
>>scared
>> >of building at home. I happen to be one of them. It is not the
>> >government that diverted us from building in the north; it is
>>Kony
>> >and his followers. Then they turn around and say that the
>>government
>> >is developing the south at the expense of the north. The
> ;>government
>> >did not g ive us these houses.
>> >
>> >In spite of all the problems with the insecurity, people have
>>made a
>> >good effort to develop their area. Both Gulu and Kitgum have new
>> >buildings. A new 3 star hotel has opened in Kitgum; better and
>> >bigger than Government-owned Hilltop Hotel. Agricultural
>>production
>> >is on the increase. Gulu district today produces quite a bit of
>> >rice. As well the production of simsim (sesame) has gone up so
>>much.
>> >Recently one Canadian company imported a million kilos of simsim
>> >from northern Uganda; after paying the farmers cash for their
>> >produce. The production of cotton in Kitgum district has gone up
>> >since the prices were de-regulated. Public transportation in the
>> >region had also improved unti l the recent insurgency. You can
>>take a
>> >bus from Gulu to Kampala and back to Gulu in one day. All these
>>are
>> >private efforts. The government did not give these buses or
>> >buildings to people in Lira, Gulu or Kitgum.
>> >
>> >The way insecurity adversely affects development is perhaps most
>> >clearly illustrated if one compares the recent growth of Gulu and
>> >Kitgum to that of Lira and Apac; both towns in northern Uganda.
>>The
>> >Langi in Apac and Lira istricts may well prefer that Obote was
>> >still the President of Uganda, but they are smart and pragmatic
>> >enough to realise that it is unlikely to happen soon. When the
>> >so-called rebels from Acholi tried to pass through there in 1987,
>> >they immediately chased them. They knew that no war could bring
>>them
>> >peace and development. Instead, they embarked on doing their best
>>to
>> >develop their region. Lira town has enjoyed a higher rate of
>>growth
>> >than even Mbarara in the last few years. As one of the
>> >industrialists from there told me last year, "we cannot afford to
>> >wait for Obote to come back before we try a nd develop our area".
>>He
>> >told me that if Obote were to visit Lira today, he would get lost
>> >because of the number of new buildings in the town.The growth in
>> >Lira has been a result of peace and private-sector investment.
>>The
>> >government of Uganda did not give the people of Lira money to put
>>up
>> >those buildings.
>> >
>> >Gulu and Kitgum districts, however, have faced one form of
>> >insecurity or another ever since 198 6. As I mentioned earlier,
>>the
>> >majority of people in the district do not support the LRA and its
>> >predecessors. It is the remnants of the UNLA and some of their
>> >political masters who have plunged our region into this darkness.
>> >These are soldiers who were so used to looting at roadblocks that
>> >the thought of living in a lawful society where law and order
>> >prevails was too much for them to bear. Some of their political
>> >leaders were so used to looting the national t reasury that the
>> >thought of holding regular jobs and earning a living like their
>> >fellow Ugandans was too much to bear. They are used to being paid
>> >for getting an allocation of sugar, beer, foreign exchange, etc.
>> >They are used to being paid for allocation papers for lorries,
>> >pickups, buses, etc. They are use d to throwing people in dete
>>ion;
>> >then asking relatives to pay a bribe to have them released.
>> >
>> >They cannot now claim that they so care about the welfare of the
>> >common man in the village that they are willing to fight and die
>>for
>> >it. During Obote II, the people in the village were just as poor.
>> >Why did they not do something about it while they had national
>> >power? They were so drunk with power that they could not see the
>> >suffering of their own people. Now they want to try and convince
>>the
>> >people in the village that if they get national power, they will
>> >del iver heaven to the north! In the meantime, they are trying to
>> >deliver hell to the north by their acts of brutality.
>> >
>> >Many of their so-called leaders are simply trying to f ind a
>> >bargaining tool so that Museveni offers them something. We have
>> >already seen this happen before. Those who preceded Kony and
>>caused
>> >so much grief in the north subsequently settled for as little as
>> >$6,000 US; plus or minus a plane ticket. They now live in
>>Kampala,
>> >afraid to visit the beloved homeland in the north that they
>>fought
>> >so hard for. This is how cheap these people think the lives of
>>their
>> >brothers and sisters in the north are. I do not want to get
>> >personal, but enough is enough. If any of their supporters doubt
>> >this, I will name some former senior Obote II/ Tito Okello
>>officials
>> >who have settled for petty amounts of money and now live
>>peacefully
>> >in Kampala after causing our people so much grief. No wonder < BR>>>those
>> >of Kony want to join them.
>> >
>> >I want to finish by suggesting that we from the north take some
>>of
>> >the responsibility for the lack of progress in our area, instead
>>of
>> >always blaming the government. We must undertake to work hard and
>> >develop our own area before we can expect investors, local or
>> >foreign, to come and invest in our area. We should stop trying t
>> >look at the central government as our only source of development.
>> >Let us stop thinking that the only way to develop our area is to
>> >seize control of the national government. If anything, the
>> >experience of Obote II and Tito Okello has shown that having
>>leaders
>> >like those from our region is a hazard to economic development.
>>Even
>> >the few who thought they benefited in 1981-1986 have nothing to
>>show
>> >for it today; except bitterness towards the people who chased
>>them
>> >away from power. In stead of resenting the development in other
>> >areas, let us learn from them and develop our own area. After
>>all,
>> >we are blessed with plenty of fertile land. Now that government
>>does
>> >not control prices of produce, and products can be sold
>>worldwide,
>> >let us get to work as soon as possible. Let us not allow the few
>> >disgraced OboteII/Tito Okello officials to ride on our backs and
>> >lives to get big jobs and some money from President Museveni. Let
>>us
>> >refuse to be misled, and let us hope peace prevails in northern
>> >Uganda. Our people more than deserve it.
>> >
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>>NB: I hope you will find time to read and sign a petition to stop
>>the Northern Uganda carnage at:
>>http://www.petitiononline.com/savacoli/petition.html
>>
>>
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>the Northern Uganda carnage at:
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